Should cannibis be considered legal.

[kiwi_2005]

Originally Posted by Etienne

You don't know the same stoners I know. They get violent.

Cannibis smokers "only" meaning they only smoke cannibis they don't mix there smoking with "other" drugs or alcohol, are not violent. Those that do can be. I bet the ones you know mix cannibis with other substances thats why they're violent.

[Etienne]

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

Cannibis smokers "only" meaning they only smoke cannibis they don't mix there smoking with "other" drugs or alcohol, are not violent. Those that do can be. I bet the ones you know mix cannibis with other substances thats why they're violent.

Nope. Just pot. Well, with some tobacco, and I guess there might have been rolling paper or bong water involved.

It doesn't happen all the time, and usually not during the high. It's afterward that you have to be careful around some stoners. Especially long time users.

[Skybird]

Don't mix it! Use it pure, and without any thinner! I must say I would be dissapointed when not becoming violent after having had a pound of Cannabis, or two!

[August]

Originally Posted by Etienne

Nope. Just pot. Well, with some tobacco, and I guess there might have been rolling paper or bong water involved.

It doesn't happen all the time, and usually not during the high. It's afterward that you have to be careful around some stoners. Especially long time users.

Some violent people smoke pot. That does not mean that pot is what makes them violent. You said it yourself, after they come down is when you have to be careful.

So one has to ask, does pot make them violent or would they be even more violent without it? Seems to me it's the latter.

[Ishmael]

The only danger of marijuana is...getting busted.

[Iceman]

To outlaw a thing before it is truly understood is ignorance at it's best....When my wifes brother was in his final stages of cancer it was the only thing that would give him an apetite to eat then even liquid morphine did not help in the end....some poor people in the mines of Mexico or south America somewhere make so little money they buy a bag of coca leaves with the days wages so they can go back in the mines to work without eating then earn enough to buy another bag of leaves and food for there familes...chewing on coca leaves...and just last nite I watched the famers in Afghanastan crying while there fields of poppys were plowed under and they all were asked the question if next yr would they replant and ALL said they would...money to feed there familes.

Genesis
[29] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
[30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Everything was made for us to use for our betterment...along with responsibility.

[Skybird]

As long as alocohol, tobacco, refined white sugar are free and people are not educated in understanding what hyperglycamic carbohydrates are and what the difference between good and bad fats is, banning Cannabis is like chasing a house cat, while you leave the tiger under your bed untouched. It is simply idiotic. All these things, each for itself, cause far more costs in the health sector, more desease, more deaths and more shortening of life expectancy, than Cannabis. Banning it while accepting even greater dangers and consequences from other stuff is hypocrisy. The risk remains that Cannabis is an introduction for the user to harder drugs later on. That is the only valid argument, imo. As long as it does not come to something like the British opium war on china, yes, do not dramatize Cannabis.

Maybe they should tax it. If the state generates income from Cannabis, like he does from selling tobacco and alcohol (drugs that kill), he may find it more acceptable to allow it ?

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The risk remains that Cannabis is an introduction for the user to harder drugs later on. That is the only valid argument, imo.

I pretty much agree with your post except for this part. One could make the same argument about tobacco and alcohol since a great majority of drug users also use one or both of them. If pot has a part in this i'd say it is more its illegality that puts people into a culture outside of the law where these things can be found.

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The risk remains that Cannabis is an introduction for the user to harder drugs later on. That is the only valid argument, imo. As long as it does not come to something like the British opium war on china, yes, do not dramatize Cannabis.

I'm woundering how valid even this is. Are there any hard figures on this ?

EDIT: But as others have maybe already mentioned the danger to get on more hard drugs comes more from the criminal environment from where you have to by it. Interesting is that hamp is prohibited almost all around the world. There are strong indications that this happened becose of businessual reasons and not becose it's a dangerous drug. Did you guys know that a bio diesel can be won from hamp for engines ad stuff ?

It's incredebly what all can be made from this plant. This plant is a blessing for the human kind. And in a context of a naval warfare forum, all the seafaring wouldn't be possible without it at least till the steel hawsers were introduced in the modern time.

Maybe they should tax it. If the state generates income from Cannabis, like he does from selling tobacco and alcohol (drugs that kill), he may find it more acceptable to allow it ?

A good moment to exploit the double morale of the government.

Deamon

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Genesis
[29] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
[30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

"For meat"?

The original word in both verses is "le'ochla", from the word "ochel", meaning "food" or "eating". So that the verse is saying these things are "for food" or "for eating."

The biblical word for "meat" or "flesh" is "bassar". This can first be seen in Genesis 2:23(turn the page ), when Adam commented on the creation of Eve:

And man said, "This time, it is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh ("bassar mi'bsarri"). This one shall be called ishah (woman) because this one was taken from ish (man)."

This usage is consistant throughout the Torah.

Class dismissed!

[joea]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

"For meat"?

The original word in both verses is "le'ochla", from the word "ochel", meaning "food" or "eating". So that the verse is saying these things are "for food" or "for eating."

The biblical word for "meat" or "flesh" is "bassar". This can first be seen in Genesis 2:23(turn the page ), when Adam commented on the creation of Eve:

And man said, "This time, it is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh ("bassar mi'bsarri"). This one shall be called ishah (woman) because this one was taken from ish (man)."

This usage is consistant throughout the Torah.

Class dismissed!

I'm betting iceman used the KGV of the bible. I know some Greek scholars (Greek Orthodox) question its translation of the Greek of the New Testament. OTOH, meat in the english of the time was used as synonym for "food."

On topic, really see no reason not to legalise cannibis, I want my space cake. Joke, don't use the stuff, but as I use alcohol and caffeine both of which have negative effects see no reason not to allow it.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

"For meat"?

The original word in both verses is "le'ochla", from the word "ochel", meaning "food" or "eating". So that the verse is saying these things are "for food" or "for eating."

The biblical word for "meat" or "flesh" is "bassar". This can first be seen in Genesis 2:23(turn the page ), when Adam commented on the creation of Eve:

And man said, "This time, it is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh ("bassar mi'bsarri"). This one shall be called ishah (woman) because this one was taken from ish (man)."

This usage is consistant throughout the Torah.

Class dismissed!

Uh class back in...this is why Jews are where Jews are today...you strain at the knat and swallow the camel....you attempt to hold to every letter of the law and in turn ensalve everyone as you are ensalved to it....Faith is what makes everything on this earth pure and fit for good use...if you want to eat pot...smoke pot, snort pot, or whatever. Please do not try to bind me by the same chains you are bound by Avon Lady.

This earth and every last thing on it was a gift for our use please do not try to attach conditions because there was only ONE...do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil....smoke me if you got em.

But please continue in your own intrepretations of the law of life as you see fit.

Class re-dismissed...