War in the Pacific AAR Thread - ML vs JFranzen

Ostfriese · 12-30-21, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Thought it could be interesting to compare this version of war in the pacific and the real timeline.

Found this page war in the pacific day by day(in general)

https://www.historyplace.com/uniteds...r/timeline.htm

Markus

Very nice overview, bookmarked. Thank you.

mapuc · 12-30-21, 02:20 PM

How many Carrier did USA have in dec. 1941 ?

From following page
https://bluejacket.com/ww2_12-07-41_carriers.html

"On 7 December 1941, the U.S. Navy had seven aircraft carriers (CVs) and one aircraft escort vessel (AVG) in commission. The CVs were considered warships and the AVG was considered an auxiliary vessel. In addition to these eight ships, the keels of five other CVs had been laid."

If I remember correctly five of these was in the pacific or on route to the pacific.

How many was build during WWII ? According to wiki 151 aircraft carriers were built in the U.S. during World War II; 122 of them were Escort Carriers.

Molon must soon get a few of these carrier/escort carrier.

Markus

Ostfriese · 12-30-21, 04:29 PM

American pre-war carriers:

Langley (converted into a seaplane tender in 1937)
Lexington Class (converted battlecruisers): Lexington and Saratoga
Ranger: the first American ship designed as a carrier from the beginning
Yorktown Class: Yorktown, Enterprise and Hornet
Wasp
Long Island: Escort carrier, often overlooked, transferred her air group to Guadalcanal in August 1942, the first aircraft to reach Henderson Field.

American fleet carriers built during the war:
Essex Class: 24 Ships built, 1 commissioned in 1942, 6 commissioned in 1943, 7 commisioned in 1944, 5 commissioned in 1945 (3 of them before the end of the war), the remaining ships between 1946 and 1950.
Midway Class: 3 ships, 2 commissioned in late 1945, the third commissioned in 1947.

American light carriers built during the war:
Independence Class: 9 ships, all commissioned in 1943
Saipan Class: 2 ships, 1 commissioned in 1946, one in 1947

American escort carriers built during the war:
Bogue Class: 47 ships, of which 11 were used by the US Navy. 6 commissioned in 1942, 5 commissioned in 1943.
Sangamon Class (converted from oilers): 4 ships, all commissioned in August/September 1942
Casablanca Class: 50 ships, 25 commissioned in 1943, 25 in 1944
Commencement Bay Class: 19 ships, 2 commissioned late in 1944, 13 commissioned in 1945 (8 before the end of the war, 5 after the end of the war), 2 commissioned in 1946, 2 never commissioned.

As the Allies cannot rush anything in the game the carriers should arrive on their historical arrival dates, which means that right now Molon Lobe should have some of the Bogues and the Sangamons (probably not all of them, as they were also used in the Atlantic historically).
The biggest addition will be USS Essex in December 1942, and during the first half of 1943 there should be a surge of CVL and CVE arriving along with a couple of Essexes, so by July 1st, 1943 Molon Lobe should easily outnumber anything the Japanese can muster even if they don't lose any of their carriers until then.

mapuc · 12-30-21, 04:35 PM

You're right thank you.
As you wrote
The carriers should arrive on their historical arrival dates

Markus

Molon Labe · 12-30-21, 05:41 PM

Here's my current carrier OOB and two screens worth of future arrivals:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ostfriese

As the Allies cannot rush anything in the game the carriers should arrive on their historical arrival dates, which means that right now Molon Lobe should have some of the Bogues and the Sangamons (probably not all of them, as they were also used in the Atlantic historically).
The biggest addition will be USS Essex in December 1942, and during the first half of 1943 there should be a surge of CVL and CVE arriving along with a couple of Essexes, so by July 1st, 1943 Molon Lobe should easily outnumber anything the Japanese can muster even if they don't lose any of their carriers until then.

I need to mention that we are playing with variable arrival dates, so arrivals might be +/- 30 days from their actual historical arrivals. This helps prevent the opposing player from knowing exactly when something is going to show up.

It's going to be a bit rough until mid-1943 thanks to losing all of the Yorktown class. And all 3 of my active US fleet carriers are due for lengthy refits in October, so I'm going to have to rotate those 3 out of service for that. Probably one at a time, but I might see if I can get away with a twofer. Wasp vs Japan!

Molon Labe · 12-30-21, 06:47 PM

23 September 1942
Parrying

Solomons and Espiritu Santo Islands
With a little help from the CL Leander and a few destroyers, the Marines on Ndeni finished off the enemy garrison.

Meanwhile, the last two damaged ships from the western amphibious task force succumbed to the damage they took yesterday, and a B-17 was lost to flak over Guadalcanal.

I've cleared my base forces to land on Roussel--this task force has a DMS and a DM in addition to the pair of AMs that proved inadequate yesterday. Not exactly robust, but enough to turn away their ace destroyer if it comes back.

Partly because Ndeni seems to have been a bit too far for the P-38s to patrol efficiently, I'm going to head back to Luganville, and quickly. The engineers and base forces intended to land on Ndeni immediately after the Marine's success are being unloaded instead of transported. Those ships are going to load up more Marines... and tanks. Lots of tanks. Hopefully between better air support, better recon, and the results of several months of near-continuous bombing, the result will be better than our first attempt. The Kates are going to have a much tougher time getting through my fighters around Luganville than they did around Ndeni.

Also, the squadron of A-20s based in Efate has upgraded to the A-20A1. These aircraft are armed with 4 forward firing 50-cals and are considered "attack bombers". They're coded to aggressively strafe and skip bomb at low altitude--I'm actually assigning fighter pilots to fly them since bomber pilots don't train the strafing skill. This should be the most effective low-altitude unit on the board, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what they can do.

Burma
The enemy attacked our armies at Tavoy with Betties, we shot down 4 Zeroes and lost 1 Hurricane trying to get to them. I've converted a 2nd squadron of Rangoon's Blenheims to Vengeances--but we don't have qualified pilots for them yet. Both dive bomber squadrons will be sitting in the rear getting replenished and trained, for now.

Bay of Bengal
The enemy swept Trincomalee with Zeroes then followed up with a Val raid; Colombo's Martlets were there to greet them. We got 2 Zeroes and lost a Martlet--the Vals sank the port's minesweeper. They also sent some Kates after a pair of destroyers that had just returned to Colombo after escorting a pair of cruisers to Bombay for upgrades. We traded 2 Marlets for 2 Zeroes here, and the Kates all missed.

China
Another shock attack at Chengchow--probably triggered by reinforcements arriving while crossing the river. Our forts are now down to Level 2, which is concerning. Casualties were 14875 to 7819 favoring us. Even though I might ultimately lose here, I really think this ongoing battle is to my benefit. He's taking such heavy losses, and his troops are much more valuable and also needed elsewhere. On my end, if there's one thing I have in abundant supply, it's Chinese soldiers, so I really don't mind losing them if they're taking enemies with them. He's also burning a ton of supply, and I can tell his supply needs in China are going unmet because of how low the stockpiles were at the coastal bases I seized.

Reinforcements
One of the B-24 squadrons that departed from the east coast has arrived in Capetown, South Africa. Next step for them will be slow boats to India.

AM Vireo taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor

mapuc · 12-30-21, 07:09 PM

So far we have been discussing material and when it will arrive
What about the Men Here I'm thinking Soldiers for offensive operations such as Marines, Green Barets etc

If I have been following your AAR correctly you have mostly received men for defencing measure of your airport and harbour.

Sorry if I should be wrong.

Markus

12-30-21, 02:20 PM	#2
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,548 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	How many Carrier did USA have in dec. 1941 ? From following page https://bluejacket.com/ww2_12-07-41_carriers.html "On 7 December 1941, the U.S. Navy had seven aircraft carriers (CVs) and one aircraft escort vessel (AVG) in commission. The CVs were considered warships and the AVG was considered an auxiliary vessel. In addition to these eight ships, the keels of five other CVs had been laid." If I remember correctly five of these was in the pacific or on route to the pacific. How many was build during WWII ? According to wiki 151 aircraft carriers were built in the U.S. during World War II; 122 of them were Escort Carriers. Molon must soon get a few of these carrier/escort carrier. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

12-30-21, 04:35 PM	#4
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,548 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	You're right thank you. As you wrote The carriers should arrive on their historical arrival dates Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

12-30-21, 06:47 PM	#6
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	23 September 1942 Parrying Solomons and Espiritu Santo Islands With a little help from the CL Leander and a few destroyers, the Marines on Ndeni finished off the enemy garrison. Meanwhile, the last two damaged ships from the western amphibious task force succumbed to the damage they took yesterday, and a B-17 was lost to flak over Guadalcanal. I've cleared my base forces to land on Roussel--this task force has a DMS and a DM in addition to the pair of AMs that proved inadequate yesterday. Not exactly robust, but enough to turn away their ace destroyer if it comes back. Partly because Ndeni seems to have been a bit too far for the P-38s to patrol efficiently, I'm going to head back to Luganville, and quickly. The engineers and base forces intended to land on Ndeni immediately after the Marine's success are being unloaded instead of transported. Those ships are going to load up more Marines... and tanks. Lots of tanks. Hopefully between better air support, better recon, and the results of several months of near-continuous bombing, the result will be better than our first attempt. The Kates are going to have a much tougher time getting through my fighters around Luganville than they did around Ndeni. Also, the squadron of A-20s based in Efate has upgraded to the A-20A1. These aircraft are armed with 4 forward firing 50-cals and are considered "attack bombers". They're coded to aggressively strafe and skip bomb at low altitude--I'm actually assigning fighter pilots to fly them since bomber pilots don't train the strafing skill. This should be the most effective low-altitude unit on the board, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what they can do. Burma The enemy attacked our armies at Tavoy with Betties, we shot down 4 Zeroes and lost 1 Hurricane trying to get to them. I've converted a 2nd squadron of Rangoon's Blenheims to Vengeances--but we don't have qualified pilots for them yet. Both dive bomber squadrons will be sitting in the rear getting replenished and trained, for now. Bay of Bengal The enemy swept Trincomalee with Zeroes then followed up with a Val raid; Colombo's Martlets were there to greet them. We got 2 Zeroes and lost a Martlet--the Vals sank the port's minesweeper. They also sent some Kates after a pair of destroyers that had just returned to Colombo after escorting a pair of cruisers to Bombay for upgrades. We traded 2 Marlets for 2 Zeroes here, and the Kates all missed. China Another shock attack at Chengchow--probably triggered by reinforcements arriving while crossing the river. Our forts are now down to Level 2, which is concerning. Casualties were 14875 to 7819 favoring us. Even though I might ultimately lose here, I really think this ongoing battle is to my benefit. He's taking such heavy losses, and his troops are much more valuable and also needed elsewhere. On my end, if there's one thing I have in abundant supply, it's Chinese soldiers, so I really don't mind losing them if they're taking enemies with them. He's also burning a ton of supply, and I can tell his supply needs in China are going unmet because of how low the stockpiles were at the coastal bases I seized. Reinforcements One of the B-24 squadrons that departed from the east coast has arrived in Capetown, South Africa. Next step for them will be slow boats to India. AM Vireo taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor __________________

12-30-21, 07:09 PM	#7
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,548 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	So far we have been discussing material and when it will arrive What about the Men Here I'm thinking Soldiers for offensive operations such as Marines, Green Barets etc If I have been following your AAR correctly you have mostly received men for defencing measure of your airport and harbour. Sorry if I should be wrong. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

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12-30-21, 04:29 PM	#3
Ostfriese Sea Lord Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 1,875 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	American pre-war carriers: Langley (converted into a seaplane tender in 1937) Lexington Class (converted battlecruisers): Lexington and Saratoga Ranger: the first American ship designed as a carrier from the beginning Yorktown Class: Yorktown, Enterprise and Hornet Wasp Long Island: Escort carrier, often overlooked, transferred her air group to Guadalcanal in August 1942, the first aircraft to reach Henderson Field. American fleet carriers built during the war: Essex Class: 24 Ships built, 1 commissioned in 1942, 6 commissioned in 1943, 7 commisioned in 1944, 5 commissioned in 1945 (3 of them before the end of the war), the remaining ships between 1946 and 1950. Midway Class: 3 ships, 2 commissioned in late 1945, the third commissioned in 1947. American light carriers built during the war: Independence Class: 9 ships, all commissioned in 1943 Saipan Class: 2 ships, 1 commissioned in 1946, one in 1947 American escort carriers built during the war: Bogue Class: 47 ships, of which 11 were used by the US Navy. 6 commissioned in 1942, 5 commissioned in 1943. Sangamon Class (converted from oilers): 4 ships, all commissioned in August/September 1942 Casablanca Class: 50 ships, 25 commissioned in 1943, 25 in 1944 Commencement Bay Class: 19 ships, 2 commissioned late in 1944, 13 commissioned in 1945 (8 before the end of the war, 5 after the end of the war), 2 commissioned in 1946, 2 never commissioned. As the Allies cannot rush anything in the game the carriers should arrive on their historical arrival dates, which means that right now Molon Lobe should have some of the Bogues and the Sangamons (probably not all of them, as they were also used in the Atlantic historically). The biggest addition will be USS Essex in December 1942, and during the first half of 1943 there should be a surge of CVL and CVE arriving along with a couple of Essexes, so by July 1st, 1943 Molon Lobe should easily outnumber anything the Japanese can muster even if they don't lose any of their carriers until then.