About merchant ship wartime colours

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by gap

You did an excellet job bby, your degree in history is paying back the college fees
Are you insinuating that our "primary source" wasn't aggressive enough lol?

Originally Posted by my corrected post

better spent keeping an eye out for Endraß & Co.(notorious Wolfpack West) periscopes etc.. especially in "June 1941 outbound from Liverpool"

My bad!! Silent Otto Kretschmer was never in Wolfpack West which attacked convoy OB 330. Engelbert Endraß, however was, in command of U-46 which attacked the convoy; sinking HMS Phidias Jun 9, 1941

was hit by one torpedo from U-46 north of the Azores, but it did not explode. The U-boat was now out of torpedoes, so they opened fire at 00.10 hours with the deck gun. The ship first fought back, but soon she caught fire and stopped shooting because the crew abandoned ship. At 00.45 hours, the U-boat ceased fire after firing 71 rounds and left the burning and sinking wreck. The master and seven crew members were killed.

and damaging Hms Ensis the day before on Jun 8 1941:

The tanker was en route from London to Curaçao in ballast.(ie: outbound empty with ballast water) Both torpedoes hit, but one was a dud. The damaged ship proceeded under own power to St. Johns, arriving on Jun 15, 1941.

both depicted in Commodore, Rear Admiral Hugh Hext Rogers sketches...along with HMS's Mercier and Tresillian; both sunk by two other West wolfpack U-boats. HMS Ensis had ultimately "put paid" to Endraß's patrol though, as she had rammed U-46 after being torpedoed, necessitating U-46's return to St Nazaire for repairs. Subsequently (pun intended) HMS Ensis would survive two more U-boat encounters and survive the war!

At 01.10 hours on 4 Apr 1942, the Ensis was slightly damaged by 20mm gunfire from U-572 in 35°43N/66°08W (grid CB 7588). At 17.04 hours on 29 Feb 1944 the Ensis was torpedoed and damaged by U-407, while in an unknown convoy in the Mediterranean.

Conclusion: Commodores can be passive artists; it's those nasty tanker captains who take up the slack and survive!!

[Mister_M]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Engelbert Endraß, however was, in command of U-46 which attacked the convoy; sinking HMS Phidias Jun 9, 1941

Strangely, HMS Phidias is not listed in OB.330 on Arnold Hague database : http://www.convoyweb.org.uk/ob2/index.html

Sorry for hijacking this thread...

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Mister_M

Strangely, HMS Phidias is not listed in OB.330 on Arnold Hague database : http://www.convoyweb.org.uk/ob2/index.html

Sorry for hijacking this thread...

It is listed in your site under ship search in OB 94 FEB1940 & OB 170 Jun 1940. Your Hague site shows 42 vessels in OB 330??!! The commodore only drew 39 vessels !!?? and certainly knew what was in his convoy!: Thus, the Hague data base is not Primary Source material! We'll rely on the Commodore!