[REL] Trigger Maru Overhauled Update BH

[4H_Ccrashh]

Started a campaign with the S-boat out of Cavite.

Went north to Luzon to attack enemy "phibs" at Aparri.

Twenty or so miles out I came across what appeared to be a single destroyer.

It was broad daylight around noon. What I should have done (this is after all TMO) was to dive the boat. But nooooooo.... dummy here wanted to look around a bit then dive.

Of course he saw me. As the scope went under he was coming right for me with a bone in his teeth.

Turns out he had friends. Five of them to be exact.

Five hours later (all run at normal time, no time skip) I managed to get away.

Counted over 400 charges dropped.

As they left the area I went to periscope depth to watch them leave.

Boy was I surprised to see TWELVE destroyers leaving. I guess as the cans ran out of depth charges they had called in reinforcements.

Needless to say with a damaged boat , I never made it to Aparri. Currently limping back to Cavite.

It is good to be home in TMO.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by 4H_Ccrashh

Started a campaign with the S-boat out of Cavite.

Went north to Luzon to attack enemy "phibs" at Aparri.

Twenty or so miles out I came across what appeared to be a single destroyer.

It was broad daylight around noon. What I should have done (this is after all TMO) was to dive the boat. But nooooooo.... dummy here wanted to look around a bit then dive.

Of course he saw me. As the scope went under he was coming right for me with a bone in his teeth.

Turns out he had friends. Five of them to be exact.

Five hours later (all run at normal time, no time skip) I managed to get away.

Counted over 400 charges dropped.

As they left the area I went to periscope depth to watch them leave.

Boy was I surprised to see TWELVE destroyers leaving. I guess as the cans ran out of depth charges they had called in reinforcements.

Needless to say with a damaged boat , I never made it to Aparri. Currently limping back to Cavite.

It is good to be home in TMO.

S Boat oh nice. They are significantly more delicate than they were (were kind of tanks to be honest) and can not go nearly as deep as they did in previous TMO versions. Glad you survived. How damaged are we talking?

Yes, the Aparri landing force was well escorted in real life and thus is in the mod. I built it based off of published orders of battle(as I did every historical action in the mod) , so each ship you encountered has a historical counterpart and with changes, their help can come from hours away instead of the previous 15 minute limit. In testing been off coast of Japan, been under for hours being depth charge, think I got it, then a new warship contact comes in closing, pinging , finds me and starts process all over again lol. So you were detected and they called for help, their buddies joined in on the party hunting the sub. My first patrol in the mod after release, was in December 1941. I was in Bashi channel and sunk a merchant, two DD's responded about 30 minutes later, detected me from an unusually logn distance and depth charged me about 6 hours as well, one charge came so close, it flooded forward torpedo room and put hull damage up to 24, damaged a lot of equipment, injured crew, boat went out of control for a time to 411 feet while was trying to balance out as repairs were going on, lucky with that hull damage , hull did not collapse from the increased depth. Good to be home in TMO indeed lol. Glad you are enjoying it. What was the max depth you took the S-Boat during the attack?

[4H_Ccrashh]

I started at 250' At the end of the fight I was at 320. I was nervous as hell giving the order to go to 320. But she held together.

I lost both periscopes, damaged diesel engines, aft battery, trim pump, compressor and the entire watch crew wounded.

I'm trying to get back to Cavite at reduced speed before its closed due to enemy attacks.

No way I'm making it to Surabaya.

On an even less pleasant note the boat has no SD radar so planes can show real close not giving me much time to dive.

Did I mention my boat S-37 has no AA defenses?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by 4H_Ccrashh

I started at 250' At the end of the fight I was at 320. I was nervous as hell giving the order to go to 320. But she held together.

I lost both periscopes, damaged diesel engines, aft battery, trim pump, compressor and the entire watch crew wounded.

I'm trying to get back to Cavite at reduced speed before its closed due to enemy attacks.

No way I'm making it to Surabaya.

On an even less pleasant note the boat has no SD radar so planes can show real close not giving me much time to dive.

Did I mention my boat S-37 has no AA defenses?

Ohhhhh yea, at 320 ft in S boat you were definitely pushing it depth wise lol

Did you have hull damage?

That is quite a damage list. Ah yea, the watch crew. Legacy bug from stock, where the watch crew gets wounded when are in the deck watch slots, even if boat is submerged those in the crew slots will get wounded. That is why Ducimus (creator of TMO ) put the crew berthing slots in the subs ( I believe S Class has the crew berthing compartment?) , to move the watch guys when submerged and under attack.

Far as making it back, if you miss the chance to dock at Manilla, the base opens up at Mangarin Bay on South Western end of Mindoro Island in the Philippines not far away...when you "dock" there, can refuel, rearm if need be, and will repair your damage, except hull damage if you have it, that can only be repaired when dock at homeport.

I added the ability to "dock" there because there was a small base there in December 41 and many forces retreating from Manila gathered there as staging area before moving south to Surabaya. I add this traffic to the sim, so will likely see different types of ships departing Manila, and heading there before heading south.. US PT boats would depart there in evening, make their runs up to harass Japanese around Manila and Subic, then run back to Mangarin Bay , arriving around dawn. I added them as well and they can fire torpedoes now, so you will likely run into US PT boats en route and returning if sailing down there .




Yes, S class did not have SD radar until Spring/Summer 1942, so no radar. If I recall in TMO SD is offered in April 42. I am on my third patrol with SD radar as well, since it was new technology most boats did not have it (especially Asiatic boats) when the war started, I made it to where it is not offered until January 42 and it is quite costly until February. The boats that were sent to patrol home islands at outbreak were selected in because they were among the few who had SD radar installed already.


Yes, the S-Class had no gun platform in early part of the war, primarily because of limited deck space. They were small boats of WW I vintage, designed before aircraft were even a problem for submarines, so no AA gun.I am sure in real life they could mount .50 cal machine guns topside if needed but can't do that in the sim.

If I recall, and the refit that comes up in late 42 or into 1943 will add an extension on aft conning tower for AA gun. I can't remember if that was TMO or not, it has been a long time since ran an S boat that later in the war. I need to check on that and if not, will have to remedy for next update. Best defense against planes, much as in real life is to just dive.

[4H_Ccrashh]

Hull Damage was 40 percent.

I think the trim pump damage is modeled. After the attack I was maintaining depth although sluggishly. But the boat was sitting with the bow angle way up high. It looked like she was pitched up about 60 to 70 degrees.

After the trim pump was repaired she leveled out.

I could maintain level posture if I increased speed but speed = noise.

The one bug that is still there is after damage some of the crew turn into black shadow creatures.

[Kal_Maximus_U669]

I started to tinker to make it more beautiful...
TriggerMaru_Overhaul_2-5_UpdateBH Revised Final=1
Nav Map MakeOverTMOUpdate=2
NavMapMakeOverTMOUpdatePatch=3
AlliedShipsTMO=4
ShipsforTMO=5
EAXsoundsim_without_WebstersManeuver_TMO=6
TMO2_different_smoke_and_splash_effects=7
FJB Color Navigation Map=8
DrJester's Environment Overhaul=9 .... (modifier)
16 Webster's Eliminate Floating Plankton=10
TMONewDepthChargesType95=11
RestoreSDRadarFromStart=12
BATTLEFLAG_CONNING_PIKE_SS173=13
SEA_LIFE_SH4_PACIFIC=14
IJN_Radar_Fix_2=15
training campaign here....


Star Campagne ...













I took Marks 10 on board to try them out ... and see ... at the level of the search radar everything is going well no disponible...see soon...

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Kal_Maximus_U669

I started to tinker to make it more beautiful...
TriggerMaru_Overhaul_2-5_UpdateBH Revised Final=1
Nav Map MakeOverTMOUpdate=2
NavMapMakeOverTMOUpdatePatch=3
AlliedShipsTMO=4
ShipsforTMO=5
EAXsoundsim_without_WebstersManeuver_TMO=6
TMO2_different_smoke_and_splash_effects=7
FJB Color Navigation Map=8
DrJester's Environment Overhaul=9 .... (modifier)
16 Webster's Eliminate Floating Plankton=10
TMONewDepthChargesType95=11
RestoreSDRadarFromStart=12
BATTLEFLAG_CONNING_PIKE_SS173=13
SEA_LIFE_SH4_PACIFIC=14
IJN_Radar_Fix_2=15
training campaign here....


Star Campagne ...













I took Marks 10 on board to try them out ... and see ... at the level of the search radar everything is going well no disponible...see soon...

Those are some beautiful shots, love the environment, will test it and see how it affects the nights, ability to do surface attacks etc. Also like that nav map. Did you check for conflicts with the nav map makeover mods included? Nav maps often have key scenery features such as Sofu Gan, the Coral Reef around Truk etc that will be altered and cause serious issues. Truk being one of them, as position of the reef may be different and the gaps in reef for traffic to go in and out of. Could end up causing CTD.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by 4H_Ccrashh

Hull Damage was 40 percent.

I think the trim pump damage is modeled. After the attack I was maintaining depth although sluggishly. But the boat was sitting with the bow angle way up high. It looked like she was pitched up about 60 to 70 degrees.

After the trim pump was repaired she leveled out.

I could maintain level posture if I increased speed but speed = noise.

The one bug that is still there is after damage some of the crew turn into black shadow creatures.

Ouch, they did a real number on you...40 percen hull damage and all the equipment wrecked. You were definitely extremely close to hull collapse in a S boat at 320 feet with that kind of hull damage. A little deeper or one close charge that increased hull damage even a little more. Obvious were dealing with first team escorts, for them to put charges close enough to dot that kind hull damage, does not happen often in the update. The way the way damage model was reworked, it damaged and destroy key equipment until you sink or surface, sometimes can't surface no matter how hard you try.


Yes, trim pump damage is modeled, it always has been but it was so well protected it was rare for it to take damage, let alone be damaged enough to malfunction. First time I discovered this was several years ago, long before I was modding, and was in a S boat in 1942 off Kiska Island in the Aleutians. Boat took a close charge and was wondering why could not keep it level but not flooding, looked to see trim pump damage was at 90 percent. When your trim pump is damaged beyond a certain point or destroyed, boat becomes difficult to control. If you have flooding anywhere in boat, control becomes s even more difficult and need noisy speed to compensate.

Hydraulic pump goes, becomes very difficult to operate boat as well, both to steer and control dive planes. I've lost dive planes before, surfaced and they were gone , blown away lol diving is a bit different then.

Glad you made it, would definitely repair at Mangarin Bay then head for home with that kind of hull damage. Let me know how it turns out.




I have never encountered the black shadow creatures you speak of. Does this happen every time ?

[4H_Ccrashh]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Ouch, they did a real number on you...40 percen hull damage and all the equipment wrecked. You were definitely extremely close to hull collapse in a S boat at 320 feet with that kind of hull damage. A little deeper or one close charge that increased hull damage even a little more. Obvious were dealing with first team escorts, for them to put charges close enough to dot that kind hull damage, does not happen often in the update. The way the way damage model was reworked, it damaged and destroy key equipment until you sink or surface, sometimes can't surface no matter how hard you try.


Yes, trim pump damage is modeled, it always has been but it was so well protected it was rare for it to take damage, let alone be damaged enough to malfunction. First time I discovered this was several years ago, long before I was modding, and was in a S boat in 1942 off Kiska Island in the Aleutians. Boat took a close charge and was wondering why could not keep it level but not flooding, looked to see trim pump damage was at 90 percent. When your trim pump is damaged beyond a certain point or destroyed, boat becomes difficult to control. If you have flooding anywhere in boat, control becomes s even more difficult and need noisy speed to compensate.

Hydraulic pump goes, becomes very difficult to operate boat as well, both to steer and control dive planes. I've lost dive planes before, surfaced and they were gone , blown away lol diving is a bit different then.

Glad you made it, would definitely repair at Mangarin Bay then head for home with that kind of hull damage. Let me know how it turns out.




I have never encountered the black shadow creatures you speak of. Does this happen every time ?

The shadow crew used to happen a long time ago. If it happens again I'll take a screen shot.

As for the return trip... Never made it.

Shortly after getting to the surface and making repairs an enemy seaplane showed up right on top of us. Dive was very sluggish and we got nailed with bombs.

Started a new campaign, Still out of Cavite and per chance I got the S-37 again!