French President Slapped On The Face

[Moonlight]

They didn't use their weapons much in the 1940's, what makes you think that they'd use them now?.

[3catcircus]

I dunno, I think the world would be a better place if more pols got a smack in the mouth.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

I dunno, I think the world would be a better place if more pols got a smack in the mouth.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

I dunno, I think the world would be a better place if more pols got a smack in the mouth.

Nah, they'd just say it was fake and whine and bitch about it forever and a day...




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[Reece]

I think they'd be better off with a good spanking!!

[Sean C]

I just don't know what to make of this.


One side of me says: "Damn. You just slapped the President of France. You're in for it."


The other side of me says: "Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!"


Have I told you how much I loathe politicians?

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Sean C

Have I told you how much I loathe politicians?

More than once!

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Sean C

...

Have I told you how much I loathe politicians?

...um, what...?...sorry, I wasn't listening...



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[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

They didn't use their weapons much in the 1940's, what makes you think that they'd use them now?.

Clichees.

They had a tank theoretician who told them how to use this weapon, but did not listen. Tbey fought inefficiently that way while Germans made better use of visir even inferior tanks. And so they lost.

They also lost indochine and algeria, but not without setting up a brutal fight. Others coming after them were stupid enough not to learn from their indochine experiencey.
The french secret service is the most relentless and secondbest secret service in europe, after the british.

Their military actions in africa again were against the odds a d realism, but again: they fought on the ground.



The resistance in ww2 was feared by the germans.



They may be many things, but one thing they are not: cowards.

[Moonlight]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Clichees.
They may be many things, but one thing they are not: cowards.

Never said the soldiers were cowards Skybird so don't ever imply that I did again,
Troops need the politicians not to be cowards as well old boy and Macron and his politicians do not come across as war leaders and never will do, they've had too much of the finer things in life to let daily death lists enter the fray.

[Skybird]

All these jokes about the French running at first glance of an enemy imply they are incapable to fight and too afraid to fight. Thats the point of the "joke".

As I use to say, there are only two or three war-capable armies in Europe currently: The British, the Turks, and in parts the French with their foreign legion.

French politics always, imo at least, is carried by underhandedness and diplomatic intrigues and conspiracy against claimed allies and friends. I do not trust them and their foreign diplomacy, not one bit. And of course their rejection of DeGaulles understanding of the needed tactics for the new tank weapon was a folly for which they paid dearly, the Germans plowed them under as a result although on the material side the German Wehrmacht was inferior and the French had better tanks and better entrenchements. German tactics made the difference.

I do not get where this constant mocking of the French for their implied running from the enemy is coming from. I attribute many qualities to their army, not all of them compliments. That they do not set up a fight is none of them, however, and their intel operations are amongst the most robust - and "unshy", to put it this way - in the Western world. They had their defeats in modern times, yes. But those had the US army as well.

[Moonlight]

Take the French Foreign Legion out of the equation and the French army does not instil fear into any enemy troops like the FFL would, too much reliance on one outfit lessons the overall combat effectiveness of their other regiments.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

All these jokes about the French running at first glance of an enemy imply they are incapable to fight and too afraid to fight. Thats the point of the "joke".

As I use to say, there are only two or three war-capable armies in Europe currently: The British, the Turks, and in parts the French with their foreign legion.

French politics always, imo at least, is carried by underhandedness and diplomatic intrigues and conspiracy against claimed allies and friends. I do not trust them and their foreign diplomacy, not one bit. And of course their rejection of DeGaulles understanding of the needed tactics for the new tank weapon was a folly for which they paid dearly, the Germans plowed them under as a result although on the material side the German Wehrmacht was inferior and the French had better tanks and better entrenchements. German tactics made the difference.

I do not get where this constant mocking of the French for their implied running from the enemy is coming from. I attribute many qualities to their army, not all of them compliments. That they do not set up a fight is none of them, however, and their intel operations are amongst the most robust - and "unshy", to put it this way - in the Western world. They had their defeats in modern times, yes. But those had the US army as well.

Looking at it from an Englishman's perspective I believe much of it comes from the fact we have probably been enemies more often than allies.

[vienna]

...then there's the cozy little arrangement the remaining French government after the fall of Paris entered into with the Nazis; the Vichy "government" and all of its attendant bowing and scraping to the Nazis did not engender much sympathy nor respect from the rest of the world, an impression that still exists today; the brutalization, under guise of "legitimate government" of the Vichy French citizens and the acquiescence of the Vichy "leaders", mainly to save their own sorry, pathetic skins, still rankles...


...and the concept of not blaming the soldiers is true; the rank and file are not responsible for the moral cowardice or failure to lead of their politicians; however, there can be bit of blame sharing for the highest and higher levels of military leadership who either failed to adequately advise and inform the political leaders and who capitulated more to save their skins than to ostensibly spare their troops...




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[GoldenRivet]

dont know much about French politics, but, hes a politician... so experience as an American tells me he is selling France down the river one piece at a time