The CHN/ China thread

Skybird · 04-15-21, 02:07 PM

Taiwan operates Mirage 2000s and older-block F-16s, as well as an own development of wich I never have heard, they also bought Hawkeye AWACS, and still run some older F5s or F20s. Their army is 200.000. Their navy operates I think 2 Diesel submarines, some Kidd destroyers and Perry frigates. Nothing that could intimidate the Chinese with their technologically superior platforms and superior numbers.

As I see it, if the Chiense mean it serious they will sweep Taiwanese latforms on sea and in the air on day one. They will simply flood defences with their own numbers.

They have older verisions of Patriot, plus Stingers and Hawk.

The issue the article I linked to is that they have allowed the forces to slowly degenerate in readiness, training levels, skill, practice, morale, motivation.

I thought for long time otherwise and thought they would be set up better, consideirng that they are a high tech nation. It seems I overestimated them.

As I see it, the US would need to throw its own weight in completely to defend Taiwan. I am still in doubt whether the US would engage with China in a full blwon war, just over Taiwain. The Chinese are a completely other league than anyone the US has ever fought against before, since WW2. Taiwan by itself has simply not the smallest chance to prevent an invasion. They can only hope delay total defeat by fightign the invaders on the island by using according tactics. But that means the island's cities and factories are at Bejing's mercy and can be wiped out at will.

I wonder whether Taiwan maybe has secret nukes?

mapuc · 04-15-21, 02:14 PM

^ "The issue the article I linked to is that they have allowed the forces to slowly degenerate in readiness, training levels, skill, practice, morale, motivation."

As I said it's the Americans fault they have acted like curling parents

Taiwan is not alone there are other countries who USA has swept away problems that may lay ahead.

Markus

Reece · 04-15-21, 09:19 PM

Well I hope when China invades Australia America will help, we have no nukes here and very close to China, I'm sure they are looking at Australia and smacking their lips!!

August · 04-15-21, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Well I hope when China invades Australia America will help, we have no nukes here and very close to China, I'm sure they are looking at Australia and smacking their lips!!

You folks had best see to your own defense. The people running my country now can't be trusted to honor our commitments.

Reece · 04-15-21, 11:56 PM

Thanks, I needed that boost in spirits!!

Skybird · 04-16-21, 07:03 AM

While I see a military collision with China including Australia as absolutely realistic, I doubt that a Chinese invasion of the Australian continent plays a role in it. It will come under attack, bases, installations, industry, yes, but why wasting troops and putting them at risk by invading such a big, empty place? As far as I believe I understood their military strategic goals, they do not need the northern coast for own bases. Conquesting of clearly foreign, distant territories is not what they are after.

August · 04-16-21, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Thanks, I needed that boost in spirits!!

Well it might cost me my citizenship but I would volunteer to come help you drive them off and I wouldn't be the only one.

mapuc · 04-16-21, 04:53 PM

It is an interesting thoughts Reece came up with

Lets play a made-up war game scenarios.

Year
2022
Month
June
Day 11
Time
0600 local time.
A massive Chinese armada consisting of a huge air fleet and ships is heading towards Taiwan

China has decided to invade Taiwan.

What kind of response can we expect from Taiwan-USA-Japan ?
Will the war extend to other countries Like Australia and South Korea ?
Will North Korea see a change to do something not so clever now if SK is fighting China ?

Markus

Jimbuna · 04-16-21, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Well I hope when China invades Australia America will help, we have no nukes here and very close to China, I'm sure they are looking at Australia and smacking their lips!!

Best start training those drop bears in the art of covert warfare operations then.

Skybird · 04-16-21, 04:33 PM

I wonder wether the Chinese fishing boat fleets already get counted as a branch of their military? They are harassing other nations fisherboats even inside theese nations' own territorial waters. And when one challenges them on that, they send an armada of coast guard boats.

What's "suffocating" and "bullying" in Mandarin?

nikimcbee · 12-02-21, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Well I hope when China invades Australia America will help, we have no nukes here and very close to China, I'm sure they are looking at Australia and smacking their lips!!

Could you push Middle Earth in front of them? rumo(u)r has it, Hobbits make great fodder?

04-15-21, 02:07 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,647 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Taiwan operates Mirage 2000s and older-block F-16s, as well as an own development of wich I never have heard, they also bought Hawkeye AWACS, and still run some older F5s or F20s. Their army is 200.000. Their navy operates I think 2 Diesel submarines, some Kidd destroyers and Perry frigates. Nothing that could intimidate the Chinese with their technologically superior platforms and superior numbers. As I see it, if the Chiense mean it serious they will sweep Taiwanese latforms on sea and in the air on day one. They will simply flood defences with their own numbers. They have older verisions of Patriot, plus Stingers and Hawk. The issue the article I linked to is that they have allowed the forces to slowly degenerate in readiness, training levels, skill, practice, morale, motivation. I thought for long time otherwise and thought they would be set up better, consideirng that they are a high tech nation. It seems I overestimated them. As I see it, the US would need to throw its own weight in completely to defend Taiwan. I am still in doubt whether the US would engage with China in a full blwon war, just over Taiwain. The Chinese are a completely other league than anyone the US has ever fought against before, since WW2. Taiwan by itself has simply not the smallest chance to prevent an invasion. They can only hope delay total defeat by fightign the invaders on the island by using according tactics. But that means the island's cities and factories are at Bejing's mercy and can be wiped out at will. I wonder whether Taiwan maybe has secret nukes? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-15-21, 02:14 PM	#2
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,541 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ "The issue the article I linked to is that they have allowed the forces to slowly degenerate in readiness, training levels, skill, practice, morale, motivation." As I said it's the Americans fault they have acted like curling parents Taiwan is not alone there are other countries who USA has swept away problems that may lay ahead. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

04-15-21, 09:19 PM	#3
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,726 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Well I hope when China invades Australia America will help, we have no nukes here and very close to China, I'm sure they are looking at Australia and smacking their lips!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

04-15-21, 11:56 PM	#5
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,726 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Thanks, I needed that boost in spirits!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

04-16-21, 07:03 AM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,647 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	While I see a military collision with China including Australia as absolutely realistic, I doubt that a Chinese invasion of the Australian continent plays a role in it. It will come under attack, bases, installations, industry, yes, but why wasting troops and putting them at risk by invading such a big, empty place? As far as I believe I understood their military strategic goals, they do not need the northern coast for own bases. Conquesting of clearly foreign, distant territories is not what they are after. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 04-16-21 at 07:15 AM.

04-16-21, 04:53 PM	#8
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,541 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	It is an interesting thoughts Reece came up with Lets play a made-up war game scenarios. Year 2022 Month June Day 11 Time 0600 local time. A massive Chinese armada consisting of a huge air fleet and ships is heading towards Taiwan China has decided to invade Taiwan. What kind of response can we expect from Taiwan-USA-Japan ? Will the war extend to other countries Like Australia and South Korea ? Will North Korea see a change to do something not so clever now if SK is fighting China ? Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

04-16-21, 04:33 PM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,647 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I wonder wether the Chinese fishing boat fleets already get counted as a branch of their military? They are harassing other nations fisherboats even inside theese nations' own territorial waters. And when one challenges them on that, they send an armada of coast guard boats. What's "suffocating" and "bullying" in Mandarin? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 04-16-21 at 04:49 PM.

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