The CHN/ China thread

mapuc · 04-15-21, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

It looks as if Taiwan is not up to the task of defending itself with any realistic chance!? And the situation seems to constantly detoriate. Not due to Bejing pressure only, but because of Taiwans own laziness.

That allows the question why if Taiwan lets things slide like this, any US sailor or marine or pilot should be worth it to fight their war for them?

Taiwains example reminds me of Germany and its "defence"

policy.

https://www.dw.com/en/taiwans-army-i...ack/a-57102659

That's because USA has acted like what we here in Denmark call Curling parents-USA their allied has swept everything away in front of the Taiwan people.

They-the Taiwans know USA will rush to the scene as soon China do something wrong.

Taiwan is not exactly a toothless tiger them self-They just doesn't have the quantity in material and soldiers.

Don't know where Taiwan is when it comes to compare technologies with China.

Markus

Skybird · 04-15-21, 02:07 PM

Taiwan operates Mirage 2000s and older-block F-16s, as well as an own development of wich I never have heard, they also bought Hawkeye AWACS, and still run some older F5s or F20s. Their army is 200.000. Their navy operates I think 2 Diesel submarines, some Kidd destroyers and Perry frigates. Nothing that could intimidate the Chinese with their technologically superior platforms and superior numbers.

As I see it, if the Chiense mean it serious they will sweep Taiwanese latforms on sea and in the air on day one. They will simply flood defences with their own numbers.

They have older verisions of Patriot, plus Stingers and Hawk.

The issue the article I linked to is that they have allowed the forces to slowly degenerate in readiness, training levels, skill, practice, morale, motivation.

I thought for long time otherwise and thought they would be set up better, consideirng that they are a high tech nation. It seems I overestimated them.

As I see it, the US would need to throw its own weight in completely to defend Taiwan. I am still in doubt whether the US would engage with China in a full blwon war, just over Taiwain. The Chinese are a completely other league than anyone the US has ever fought against before, since WW2. Taiwan by itself has simply not the smallest chance to prevent an invasion. They can only hope delay total defeat by fightign the invaders on the island by using according tactics. But that means the island's cities and factories are at Bejing's mercy and can be wiped out at will.

I wonder whether Taiwan maybe has secret nukes?

mapuc · 04-15-21, 02:14 PM

^ "The issue the article I linked to is that they have allowed the forces to slowly degenerate in readiness, training levels, skill, practice, morale, motivation."

As I said it's the Americans fault they have acted like curling parents

Taiwan is not alone there are other countries who USA has swept away problems that may lay ahead.

Markus

Reece · 04-15-21, 09:19 PM

Well I hope when China invades Australia America will help, we have no nukes here and very close to China, I'm sure they are looking at Australia and smacking their lips!!

August · 04-15-21, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Well I hope when China invades Australia America will help, we have no nukes here and very close to China, I'm sure they are looking at Australia and smacking their lips!!

You folks had best see to your own defense. The people running my country now can't be trusted to honor our commitments.

Reece · 04-15-21, 11:56 PM

Thanks, I needed that boost in spirits!!

Skybird · 04-16-21, 07:03 AM

While I see a military collision with China including Australia as absolutely realistic, I doubt that a Chinese invasion of the Australian continent plays a role in it. It will come under attack, bases, installations, industry, yes, but why wasting troops and putting them at risk by invading such a big, empty place? As far as I believe I understood their military strategic goals, they do not need the northern coast for own bases. Conquesting of clearly foreign, distant territories is not what they are after.

August · 04-16-21, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Thanks, I needed that boost in spirits!!

Well it might cost me my citizenship but I would volunteer to come help you drive them off and I wouldn't be the only one.

Jimbuna · 04-16-21, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Well I hope when China invades Australia America will help, we have no nukes here and very close to China, I'm sure they are looking at Australia and smacking their lips!!

Best start training those drop bears in the art of covert warfare operations then.

Skybird · 04-16-21, 04:33 PM

I wonder wether the Chinese fishing boat fleets already get counted as a branch of their military? They are harassing other nations fisherboats even inside theese nations' own territorial waters. And when one challenges them on that, they send an armada of coast guard boats.

What's "suffocating" and "bullying" in Mandarin?

nikimcbee · 12-02-21, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Well I hope when China invades Australia America will help, we have no nukes here and very close to China, I'm sure they are looking at Australia and smacking their lips!!

Could you push Middle Earth in front of them? rumo(u)r has it, Hobbits make great fodder?

04-15-21, 02:07 PM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Taiwan operates Mirage 2000s and older-block F-16s, as well as an own development of wich I never have heard, they also bought Hawkeye AWACS, and still run some older F5s or F20s. Their army is 200.000. Their navy operates I think 2 Diesel submarines, some Kidd destroyers and Perry frigates. Nothing that could intimidate the Chinese with their technologically superior platforms and superior numbers. As I see it, if the Chiense mean it serious they will sweep Taiwanese latforms on sea and in the air on day one. They will simply flood defences with their own numbers. They have older verisions of Patriot, plus Stingers and Hawk. The issue the article I linked to is that they have allowed the forces to slowly degenerate in readiness, training levels, skill, practice, morale, motivation. I thought for long time otherwise and thought they would be set up better, consideirng that they are a high tech nation. It seems I overestimated them. As I see it, the US would need to throw its own weight in completely to defend Taiwan. I am still in doubt whether the US would engage with China in a full blwon war, just over Taiwain. The Chinese are a completely other league than anyone the US has ever fought against before, since WW2. Taiwan by itself has simply not the smallest chance to prevent an invasion. They can only hope delay total defeat by fightign the invaders on the island by using according tactics. But that means the island's cities and factories are at Bejing's mercy and can be wiped out at will. I wonder whether Taiwan maybe has secret nukes? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-15-21, 02:14 PM	#3
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,541 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ "The issue the article I linked to is that they have allowed the forces to slowly degenerate in readiness, training levels, skill, practice, morale, motivation." As I said it's the Americans fault they have acted like curling parents Taiwan is not alone there are other countries who USA has swept away problems that may lay ahead. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

04-15-21, 09:19 PM	#4
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,733 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Well I hope when China invades Australia America will help, we have no nukes here and very close to China, I'm sure they are looking at Australia and smacking their lips!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

04-15-21, 11:56 PM	#6
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,733 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Thanks, I needed that boost in spirits!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

04-16-21, 07:03 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	While I see a military collision with China including Australia as absolutely realistic, I doubt that a Chinese invasion of the Australian continent plays a role in it. It will come under attack, bases, installations, industry, yes, but why wasting troops and putting them at risk by invading such a big, empty place? As far as I believe I understood their military strategic goals, they do not need the northern coast for own bases. Conquesting of clearly foreign, distant territories is not what they are after. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 04-16-21 at 07:15 AM.

04-16-21, 04:33 PM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I wonder wether the Chinese fishing boat fleets already get counted as a branch of their military? They are harassing other nations fisherboats even inside theese nations' own territorial waters. And when one challenges them on that, they send an armada of coast guard boats. What's "suffocating" and "bullying" in Mandarin? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 04-16-21 at 04:49 PM.

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