faith in the police? not round here please.

[Iku-turso]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I'm really worried about Europe. I mean, if you have an intruder in your home, you can even protect yourself overthere.

I dont know about other european countries but in Finland you can,and i surely will.

[Kapitan]

There was an inncident in england where a man who was attempting to rob a house cut himself badly on his intended victims fence and sued and you know what he won ! the burgaler won !!!!!

Any anus who comes on my land will get shot but thing is il get done for it doesnt matter if he was coming to kill me id still get done.

[CB..]

yes they really do need to seperate the attacker from the victim--if by defending your self you can be in law labelled as the attacker then this illustrates the insane flaw in the laws (and in some ways society it self) interpretation of violence--and is precisely why the attacker is so often able to manipulate the ordinary person into becoming a "victim" simply by using the knowledge that if he/she defends him/herself then they them selves become the criminal--there-by making any possible morality impossible--

society acts very much as if it were schizophrenic and confused about violence-- as if it can't quite make up it's mind wether it likes it or not--
it's an unspoken vibe that often pervails that we would rather not have any more victims--rather than that we would rather not have any more violence---

no body likes victims---but we all kinda want to be Bruce Willis--

time for some joined up thinking--violence is still "cool" there are obvious reasons why this is--right back to the roots of mankind--the biggest most violent ape got to be boss--not that much has changed maybe it's about time it did?:hmm:
to the kids on the street this is the basic twist--we assume folks are intelligent enough to see past this--but they are allso intelligent to realise that violence or the threat of violence often gets them where they want to go--

and they quite rightly find the fact that the victim can be prosecuted for the very crime that is being perpertrated against them-
like Christmas and their birthday rolled into one---it's a bully mentality---and the law plays right along with it--and that is not a co-incidence IMO

it is as if the crime is to be attacked--and even then it is only a crime if the victim chooses to press charges---

so by that logic being attacked is only a crime if you are a "p*ssy"---that's the grass roots message this sends out loud and clear--
it feeds off those whose desire is to abide by the law-- it makes you a victim for attempting to abide by the law--it gives you no other option--

only when violence is considered a crime without question (within the confines of available evidence) will attitudes change--
if for example a person is witnessed being attacked on lets say CCTV cameras--then after some basic investigation the person seen attacking the other would be prosecuted as having commited a crime---full stop--the victim doesn't enter into it--either it is a crime to physically assault another person or it isn't--

when you are given a speeding ticket for exceeding the speed limit on a motorway--(having been caught on a speed camera)
no one asks the rest of the drivers on that stretch of road wether they minded you exceeding the speed limit--asking them if they as law abiding drivers want to press charges--

same thing should be done with violent incidents--the victim should not even have to appear in court
it should be a arbitary as a parking ticket--you hit some one -you broke the law--it can get more complicated than this--but only if we want to fudge the issues--if the violence is the crime--then this gives the victim back their self respect

then the victim can know on whose side the law really is--and they cease to be victims
it's societyand the law that makes ordinary law abiding citizens into victims--one minute they are walking their dog--the next they're a victim--what happenned?
a bit fuddled perhaps?

precisely

[STEED]

Once again for the U.K the stinking corrupt E.U. has given us the human right's act, which Tony Blair put his signature too. And is now regretting it, I here old David cameron leader of the Conservative party, said he would scrap it, just two problems first the conservatives must get elected at the next general election, the second point I would like to see how the hell can he scrap it, while we are in the E.U. good luck David cameron.

[CB..]

i kinda think the problem goes a bit deeper than just which party happens to be in power---

i reckon the police, lawyers and all concerned partys in authority should be made to sit down and try to write a leaflet describing in detail and exactly what a member of the public should be expected to do when confronted with a violent assault--(not some idiotic victim support wishy washy sticky plaster for after the event --but what you are supposed to do whilst the attack is actually happening )
i think once the waste paper bin is crammed to the full with rejected drafts they will finally start to see the size of the problem-

[STEED]

If a intruder entered my home, I know the law will back the intruder, so if I am going down I am going to take the son of a bitch with me.