US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Buddahaid]

You could say Trump had a small hand in it.....

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by MaDef

The first paragraph is nothing more than a regurgitation of liberal talking points, and those talking points are based on exaggerations, omissions, and fabrications.

what exactky would you call this?

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Oh dear lawd baby jesus. You are NOT a democrat your friends are not republicans. You're young highly impressionable kids in school with a bright future ahead of you. The last thing this country needs is to ruin your childhood by turning you into members of some freaking political party.

Always bare in mind, what we are today rests in what we thought yesterday, and our current thoughts forge our future life. I'd suggest run far from the contentious trivial arguments of old men. In case you haven't noticed by now they have solved nothing they're like dogs who chase their own tail, don't be a dog. Forget the party identity crap, its rotten and stinks, it makes you a slave, don't be a slave. Instead strive to find peace within first and a passion, surround yourself with like minded people you can grow and share good ideas with. Make your thoughts about figuring out productive ways to create a better place and benefit others.

seconded. remember the old saying, "if you're 20 and not a leftist, you've got no heart. If you're 50 and still a leftist, you got no brains.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

seconded. remember the old saying, "if you're 20 and not a leftist, you've got no heart. If you're 50 and still a leftist, you got no brains.

I suppose that makes me left out....

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

seconded. remember the old saying, "if you're 20 and not a leftist, you've got no heart. If you're 50 and still a leftist, you got no brains.

I think not all sayings that have been attributed to Churchill make sense

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I suppose that makes me left out....

You're way better off than left behind.

[Texas Red]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Oh dear lawd baby jesus. You are NOT a democrat your friends are not republicans. You're young highly impressionable kids in school with a bright future ahead of you. The last thing this country needs is to ruin your childhood by turning you into members of some freaking political party.

Always bare in mind, what we are today rests in what we thought yesterday, and our current thoughts forge our future life. I'd suggest run far from the contentious trivial arguments of old men. In case you haven't noticed by now they have solved nothing they're like dogs who chase their own tail. Forget the party identity crap, its rotten and stinks, it makes you a slave. Instead strive to find peace within first and a passion, surround yourself with like minded people you can grow and share good ideas with. Make your thoughts about figuring out productive ways to create a better place and benefit others dream big.

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

seconded. remember the old saying, "if you're 20 and not a leftist, you've got no heart. If you're 50 and still a leftist, you got no brains.

Well, i like to care about my country and have a standing on things. just because i am young doesn’t mean i cannot do this. Maybe since i don’t vote i can’t call myself a democrat, maybe that’s how it works. Even though i do not vote i just believe that Democrats have what’s best for the country right now. i’m not becoming a diehard permanent member, i’m just supporting who i think will do the best for the country, which Biden will definitely do.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Catfish

@3catcircus:

I thought Biontech ('Pfizer' being the distributing company) just sent a lot of the vaccine to the US? The US intends to send vaccine to other countries, but not yet afaik. Of course there is Covax, but you know ...

The virus may never go away but all other did not as well. You can only stop their further spread and infection by vaccination (some people will still be infected, but the number will be very small. Not a "pandemic" by any measure).

What do you propose?

I'm basing it off of info from someone who was in the White House Medical Office who had actually traveled overseas with the shipments. Not every country got shipments. This person had been involved in delivering vaccines to the states before they started overseas. Any screw up in getting vaccines to people is entirely on the states - whose governors and health depts were not all at the same level of readiness to receive them.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by El Whacko

Remember when Italy used to be the number 1 country with new COVID cases and deaths? Remember when several other countries used to be damn near the top of number 1 COVID cases and deaths? This was back in March-May, and guess what? they are hardly mentioned anymore, now it’s the US that is far ahead of others in number of COVID cases and deaths. And the reason why all the other countries are behind us is because their leaders realized the danger this disease posed and took appropriate action to make sure that they didn’t reach the spot where we are currently.

World leaders- besides the president- have handelde COVID better than us. And look at how many less COVID cases and deaths those countries have:


I think that the pictures speaks perfectly as to how many countries lowered their cases and deaths by handling the disease properly.

There are several factors your aren't accounting for.

1. The reason Italy was slammed last spring is because of all the Chinese slaves returning from Wuhan after the lunar new year to return to work in the garment factories in N. Italy who brought it with them and infected the largely ancient (AVERAGE age was 85+) population, most of whom likely were smokers their whole lives. The extremely close proximity of other european nations and their also having elderly populations meant more people dying there than in the US initially.

2. The significant drop off due to this being a seasonal illness with the lag in reporting affected the true impact of this disease.

3. The US CDC and WHO constantly changing their stories, recurring in entirely inconsistent reporting of actual positive cases.

4. The perverse incentive in the US for hospitals to receuve federal aid means everything was being reported as a covid death even if it was a car wreck or gunshot wound.

5. The significant mutations that make covid more contagious likely make it less deadly.

6. The majority of those in the US outside of nursing homes (where Dem governors sent positive covid cases who then infected the elderly and killed them) are younger and healthier (generally) but we have more fat people and diabetics here.

7. The GIGANTIC population and VAST distances means it takes longer for diseases to spread, so the "accordion effect" is more pronounced than in a smaller country with a smaller and more homogeneous population. In addition, you have fewer multi-generational families be same home than in Europe and Asia.


8. The vastly different outcomes in different US states based upon whether or not they have Democrat governors engaged in draconian lockdowns based upon non-scientific gut feel. California and New York are disasters. Florida and Texas not so much - the ONLY metric that matters is deaths and hospitalizations.

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

There are several factors your aren't accounting for.

1. The reason Italy was slammed last spring is because of all the Chinese slaves returning from Wuhan after the lunar new year to return to work in the garment factories in N. Italy who brought it with them and infected the largely ancient (AVERAGE age was 85+) population, most of whom likely were smokers their whole lives. The extremely close proximity of other european nations and their also having elderly populations meant more people dying there than in the US initially.

Now shshsh and back to your loonie bin, before I'm inclined to ask why there are no old people in the US.
chinese slaves returning to work in italy. ...
the jewish space laser is still #1, but this came close.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

Now shshsh and back to your loonie bin, before I'm inclined to ask why there are no old people in the US.
chinese slaves returning to work in italy. ...
the jewish space laser is still #1, but this came close.

What would you call massive numbers of low-paid workers working very long hours in factories? Just because it is garments and textiles in Italy instead of a Foxconn iPhone factory in China doesn't make it any different.



https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2...se-prostitutes


https://summit.news/2020/03/19/migra...th-iran-italy/


I stand by the facts as I've listed them. Prove me wrong.

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

I stand by the facts as I've listed them. Prove me wrong.

First and foremost, the fates described in the articles you provided are horrible and to be condemned. The stem from practises that are illegal in europe (but outragiously) still happen.
But it's not slavery. It seems nit-picky but is really important. Those people act the way they do not because they are owned and held, but out of an economic pressure forced onto them by a system quite similar to the quintessential consequence of a system you cheer to. This is also important. Because all of europe is socialist (remember?), even that (meaning these working conditions) are illegal.
Besides, we are not playing the blame-game but - as a sidenote - I want to point out a quote from your article, that this situation also

“helped keep Iran’s economy alive in the face of American sanctions,”

Edit: we're also not sex-trafficing kids and eat their faces. or whatever some also believe.

[bstanko6]

The Dems won’t even start the meetings with the pledge of allegiance! Great unity! Great patriotism!

Like always, garbage in... garbage out!

Perhaps the Chinese national anthem?

[Buddahaid]

[skidman]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

There are several factors your aren't accounting for.

1. The reason Italy was slammed last spring is because of all the Chinese slaves returning from Wuhan after the lunar new year to return to work in the garment factories in N. Italy who brought it with them and infected the largely ancient (AVERAGE age was 85+) population, most of whom likely were smokers their whole lives. The extremely close proximity of other european nations and their also having elderly populations meant more people dying there than in the US initially.

Yeah, whatever. Still this does not explain, what El Whacko referred to: Comparing the incidence for Italy and the US it is obvious that a country hit very hard in the beginning is doing much better now than the US.



Is this a "Trump effect"? Don't know, maybe it's a "people like 3catcircus effect"?

2. The significant drop off due to this being a seasonal illness with the lag in reporting affected the true impact of this disease.

The seasonal impact again. There is absolutely no evidence of a strong seasonal effect, the contrary seems to be right:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-18150-z

3. The US CDC and WHO constantly changing their stories, recurring in entirely inconsistent reporting of actual positive cases.

It might be inconsistent, there is however no evidence of a systematic and purposely overassessment of infections and fatalities, the contrary is true:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-18272-4

4. The perverse incentive in the US for hospitals to receuve federal aid means everything was being reported as a covid death even if it was a car wreck or gunshot wound.

You are a victim of disinformation:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/so...19-death-toll/

5. The significant mutations that make covid more contagious likely make it less deadly.

Rubbish and again not backed up by any scientific evidence:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...irus-variants/

the ONLY metric that matters is deaths and hospitalizations.

Let's take a look at the deaths then: We see the influence of the so called British mutant and we see the second/third wave has produced more deaths in almost all countries. More infections = more deaths. What was your point again?



You think this is a political subject, but it isn't. Biochemistry is truth. The mathematics behind epidemiological statistics and modeling is factual. You might not like the outcome, but fantasizing about a conspiracy that uses the pandemic for a political agenda is ridiculous.