Russian and NATO

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by Catfish

+2 of course.

Problem is with the turkish population, Erdoghan rules with an iron fist and just of all the pro-west hoteliers and tourist management now has the biggest problems, from missing tourists (who do not want to visit Turkey with this "president" lmao) at the helm, to being under pressure by Erdoghan for their liberal views, to the Corona pandemic.

Turkey was, since Kemal Atatuerk after WW1, a relatively democratic and secular modern state, but this drastically changed with Erdoghan.
It only takes one idiot at the "right" time to screw it all up, for generations to come.

It is unfortunate but like the statement says " those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it"

Turkey is going to try and force closure on the Black sea i think, the real issue is Russia is the dominant force there and has the capability to neutralize the Turkish Black sea fleet, but in recent times over the last couple of months even we have seen a change in deployments and basing for Russian units which means they are anticipating this move.
We have also seen powerful units move in to Tartarus and also operate in the Black sea regularly.

I don't think the combined force of Russia's Black sea fleet and its squadron in the Mediterranean backed up by the Northern fleet in some cases, that the Turkish fleet would stand much of a chance.

Now on land that where it would matter if Russia was to go to a full scale landing then i can see there being a Russian disadvantage much like the allies did in the Gallipoli campaign in world war one.