Russian and NATO

[Rockstar]

An Assertive Turkey Muscles Into Russia’s Backyard

Erdogan extended support for Azerbaijan’s military offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh, a rare foray into Kremlin’s sphere of influence

https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-asse...rd-11607696623

[Catfish]

@Russia a two-front war is not a good idea, with greetings from Germany

Seriously
1. this looks like a coming confrontation wth China
2. Wth is this Erdoghan up to, he wants to spoil it with everyone?

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Catfish

@Russia a two-front war is not a good idea, with greetings from Germany

Seriously
1. this looks like a coming confrontation wth China
2. Wth is this Erdoghan up to, he wants to spoil it with everyone?

Why Is Russia Moving Closer to Mongolia?
Russia’s approach to Mongolia is about more than countering China’s influence.

... are Russia’s attempts to bolster its relationship with the region solely aimed at countering Chinese influence? This argument too simplistic and ignores the role of other powers. Moscow’s strategy in Central Asia and Mongolia isn’t only aimed at China, but other regional rivals.


Turkey, for instance, has a historic relationship with the region.


After the successor states to the Mongols were gradually defeated by the Russian Tsar Ivan the Terrible in the 16th century, the Ottoman Turks continued to support their fellow “Turkic Mongol brothers” in their fight against Russia.

Recently, Turkey has been active in “soft power” diplomacy in the area, including working with Mongolian companies to produce masks and other medical equipment and building a 250-tonne capacity warehouse to help Mongolian farmers. Turkey and Russia have a complex relationship, and the fact they support different sides in both the Syria and Libyan conflict has done little to bridge the gap between these two regional and historical rivals.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/06/why-...r-to-mongolia/

[Onkel Neal]

Dammit, why does anybody need to confront anybody? Can't we all just get along?

[Kapitan]

Its not that uncommon to see a Russian ship work with the west they have been doing so for many years specifically on the CTF's off the Somali coast even using our tankers and dry stores to re supply.
2011 Exercise Bold march which was a submarine rescue exercise we say the B871 Alrosa a Project 877V Kilo class submarine take part as the downed vessel off the coast of Spain.

In all honesty I don't think we need to fear Russia, if we look back to the last century both world wars Russia came in on our side, and they have had in recent past border clashes with China as well as many rifts with China.

As for Turkey they are playing a dangerous game and I think it is high time that Turkeys membership of NATO is reviewed.

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

In all honesty I don't think we need to fear Russia, if we look back to the last century both world wars Russia came in on our side, and they have had in recent past border clashes with China as well as many rifts with China.

As for Turkey they are playing a dangerous game and I think it is high time that Turkeys membership of NATO is reviewed.

+1 to that!

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Reece

+1 to that!

+2 of course.

Problem is with the turkish population, Erdoghan rules with an iron fist and just of all the pro-west hoteliers and tourist management now has the biggest problems, from missing tourists (who do not want to visit Turkey with this "president" lmao) at the helm, to being under pressure by Erdoghan for their liberal views, to the Corona pandemic.

Turkey was, since Kemal Atatuerk after WW1, a relatively democratic and secular modern state, but this drastically changed with Erdoghan.
It only takes one idiot at the "right" time to screw it all up, for generations to come.

[Rockstar]

Due to the decreasing threat from Russia, the relevance of NATO has become debatable. U.S. President Donald Trump’s recent stand on NATO members has caused U.S. allies to further doubt their promises. In some cases, it has made some of them move closer to its adversaries. Turkey is a prime example of that case...


Also, challenging France (another NATO member) in the Eastern Mediterranean is only exacerbating Turkey’s current state of affairs. The tensions between these NATO members are the byproducts of the overlapping maritime goals, Turkey’s adventurism and megaphone diplomacy.

https://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2020/11...ace-stability/

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by Catfish

+2 of course.

Problem is with the turkish population, Erdoghan rules with an iron fist and just of all the pro-west hoteliers and tourist management now has the biggest problems, from missing tourists (who do not want to visit Turkey with this "president" lmao) at the helm, to being under pressure by Erdoghan for their liberal views, to the Corona pandemic.

Turkey was, since Kemal Atatuerk after WW1, a relatively democratic and secular modern state, but this drastically changed with Erdoghan.
It only takes one idiot at the "right" time to screw it all up, for generations to come.

It is unfortunate but like the statement says " those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it"

Turkey is going to try and force closure on the Black sea i think, the real issue is Russia is the dominant force there and has the capability to neutralize the Turkish Black sea fleet, but in recent times over the last couple of months even we have seen a change in deployments and basing for Russian units which means they are anticipating this move.
We have also seen powerful units move in to Tartarus and also operate in the Black sea regularly.

I don't think the combined force of Russia's Black sea fleet and its squadron in the Mediterranean backed up by the Northern fleet in some cases, that the Turkish fleet would stand much of a chance.

Now on land that where it would matter if Russia was to go to a full scale landing then i can see there being a Russian disadvantage much like the allies did in the Gallipoli campaign in world war one.