The future of europe?/Islam threads (Merged)

[joea]

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

So.....now that we all recogniz the problem here:


My proposal is we all buy large quantities of 7.92x54 mm ammo and rifles to use them with.....(A G3 each would be nice but they're expensive, so something similar to a FAL might work).

Then we can all join the heyday.......or eat popcorn and watch the fun on the sidelines.

Wow this site is slipping into facism and calling for genocide.

[Yahoshua]

You're jumping the cliff early here bud.....if there's a civil war brewing, I'd vry much like to be prepared for it. I'm not calling for a Crusade v.s. Jihad.

Just keep some electric generators and PBAs' handy (along with a few thousand rounds of ammo).

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by joea

Wow this site is slipping into facism and calling for genocide.

It's a cyclic thing as of the last few months

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Three problems I've consistently observed in this line of discussion for the past while.

1) It's an unwritten rule of internet debates that anyone who brings up comparisons to Hitler should automatically lose the debate. I tend to agree.

2) The dehumanizing aspect of this worries me, and I mean this not just for one side of this. There has been wonderful proof of the muslim threat, yes, and then come the extreme outbursts of 'let's get ourselves some 7.62mm ammo stocked up', and everyone is good and happy.
How are you better than your bad evil muslim friends this way? Assuming they're still back in the middle ages, you folks are rapidly calling all of us to go back there as well. Where's your justification for this?

3) Where is the solution? "The final solution"? Anything I've heard solution-wise to this is either a bad joke or a thinly-veiled allusion to genocide. I have seen plenty of reasonable and well-argued debate for the threat as such and the need for most people to realize it - only to be abruptly cut off by what I mentioned in point #2.
If you believe yourself to be a representative of a better civilization, then please come up with a better solution worthy of an enlightened European/Western culture. Otherwise, I suggest dropping the pretensions and declaring this an "East vs. West showdown, no holds barred, the winner gets to trample on the heads of the vanquished". End of story.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by CCIP

If you believe yourself to be a representative of a better civilization, then please come up with a better solution worthy of an enlightened European/Western culture. Otherwise, I suggest dropping the pretensions and declaring this an "East vs. West showdown, no holds barred, the winner gets to trample on the heads of the vanquished". End of story.

The only resolution is to ban Islam in any form. Nothing else will help.

Islam requires one of 2 things under such circumstances:

1. Leave infidel lands and go to countries where Islam can be practiced.

2. Declare Jihad against infidel countries not allowing the free practice of Islam.

Should the "civilized" world chose not to ban Islam, here's a sampling from the horse's mouth of things to come, if you haven't caught their drift yet:

• "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."

This statement was made way back in 1998, in a speech to a Muslim audience in California. The speech was given by Omar M. Ahmad, then chairman of the board of the Council on American-Islamic Relations -CAIR.

Anyone who knows anything about CAIR knows that they are the largest, well oiled, Muslim lobbying group in the US. They put on an outward personna of "moderation", yet their organization heads have been found guilty and convicted of terrorist ties and virtually everything they do and say is to promote Muslim expansion and eventual domination of Islam in N. America (hello Canada).

For a quick rundown on what CAIR is about and up to, I suggest visiting their nemesis' site, Anti-CAIR. Get to know your neighbor.

So world, you can chose to go out there and save yourselves with a bang or disappear into silence and dhimmitude with a whimper.

Was I blunt enough?:hmm:

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

virtually everything they do and say is to promote Muslim expansion and eventual domination of Islam in N. America (hello Canada).

That was quick!

From Canada's National Post: Islam: A religion of peace?

[scandium]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

The only resolution is to ban Islam in any form. Nothing else will help.

I've seen the Old Testament, and it is no better than the Koran. So why don't you practice what you preach and go first.

Right, I didn't think so.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by scandium

I've seen the Old Testament, and it is no better than the Koran. So why don't you practice what you preach and go first.

You've seen the "Old Testament" but you obviously don't know it very well.

Go ahead and attack. Ready.

BTW, don't bother dealing with reality.

[scandium]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

You've seen the "Old Testament" but you obviously don't know it very well.

Well enough to know that it preaches the exact same kind of intolerance and repression that you are so fond of pointing out in Islam. Maybe it is you who don't know it so well.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by scandium

Well enough to know that it preaches the exact same kind of intolerance and repression that you are so fond of pointing out in Islam. Maybe it is you who don't know it so well.

I'm still waiting for you to prove your point. So far, you're full of hot air.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by scandium

I've seen the Old Testament, and it is no better than the Koran. So why don't you practice what you preach and go first.

Right, I didn't think so.

I don't see Jews and Christians in a worldwide "Jihad", using terrorists tactics to try and force people of the world to prescribe to their religious beliefs.

eg. I don't see any coordinated global movement by Jews and Christians to kill people who aren't of the Christian and Jewish faiths. That's a pretty noticeable difference.

[scandium]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

I don't see Jews and Christians in a worldwide "Jihad", using terrorists tactics to try and force people of the world to prescribe to their religious beliefs.

eg. I don't see any coordinated global movement by Jews and Christians to kill people who aren't of the Christian and Jewish faiths. That's a pretty noticeable difference.

Right, we don't use the same tactics. The net results are the same, however, since dead is dead. The organized Christianists who fight, tooth and nail (and successfully), to prevent the distribution of condoms that would reduce the spread of HIV/AIDS in the third world - because birth control is unholy - kills. Sure it isn't gruesome, and it doesn't get headlines, and they probably don't even intend these deaths, but the results are the same. Dead is dead. And its done to force these people to conform to the preaching of these organized religions. And the religion is Christianity, not Islam.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by scandium

Right, we don't use the same tactics. The net results are the same, however, since dead is dead. The organized Christianists who fight, tooth and nail (and successfully), to prevent the distribution of condoms that would reduce the spread of HIV/AIDS in the third world - because birth control is unholy - kills. Sure it isn't gruesome, and it doesn't get headlines, and they probably don't even intend these deaths, but the results are the same. Dead is dead. And its done to force these people to conform to the preaching of these organized religions. And the religion is Christianity, not Islam.

I wonder what's killed more people: Christian condom condemners or promiscuous procreation preachers.

I've quoted a selection of such passages in the past. Look the thread up yourself.

To the best of my knowledge, they were responded to appropriately.

What's the matter? Run out of steam?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by scandium

Right, we don't use the same tactics. The net results are the same, however, since dead is dead. The organized Christianists who fight, tooth and nail (and successfully), to prevent the distribution of condoms that would reduce the spread of HIV/AIDS in the third world - because birth control is unholy - kills. Sure it isn't gruesome, and it doesn't get headlines, and they probably don't even intend these deaths, but the results are the same. Dead is dead. And its done to force these people to conform to the preaching of these organized religions. And the religion is Christianity, not Islam.

What a bunch of BS tripe. Scandium, your fallacious argument is the reason why left-wing politics is dying in North America. First of all, you give an example without a source. You generalize your facts. And then you attempt to draw moral equivalency. What Christian groups are preventing the distribution of Condoms to third worlders? :p And how are they enforcing it?

BTW, you do know that a condom doesn't guarantee HIV and AIDS prevention, right? And you must know that many third worlders themselves may not even want to wear condoms. Unless you force Africans to wear condoms, you are Al-Qaeda, in the mind of Scandium. Christians are responsible for the African AIDS crisis? Just because they preach abstinence? And therefore, they are terrorists in the same vein as Al-Qaeda? Dude, you are one funny guy.

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I wonder what's killed more people: Christian condom condemners or promiscuous procreation preachers.

Good point.

[Skybird]

for a better start, get rid of corrupt leaders selling our homes to Islam, and push for redcued oil-consummation and a policy that makes it an urgent priority to become independent from Muslim oil. Change constitutions so that they do no longer protect Islamic politics by abusing the right of free religion. Stop muslim immigration now. Stop Turkey's EU course. Encourage all colonists that still do not have national passports to leave back to their real homes, even put a good ammount of pressure on them and cut all privileges that derive from exaggerated attempts to integrate them. Make a one-child-policy for Muslim colonist's families mandatory by constitutional law. Isolate all Muslim countries, and ban them. All mosques must be under complete monitoring of intelligence services. All preaching must be done in the local language. Before you protest, I mind you that this life still is better than the discriminative behavior Islam demands for Jewish and christian dhimmis. In this way, Muslim population will decrease withiut the need to commit genocide, it just takes longer. We must also make it a policy that every Islamic terror strike is answered on totally equal terms. that is: striking back: two of theirs for one of ours. Let's see who runs out of weapons first. There is a reason why this new (the third, or fourth, depending on how you count) Eurpopean-Islamic war of cultural coinquest is fought with tools of demographics by Islam, and why he has given up the military aggression after threee failed attempts. Let's play the game on the ground where we have OUR advantages available. - I also say this. As Islam sees it, all world is the world of Allah, and thus Islam sees it as natural that it has the God-given right to rule all and everything. It will never change in this. So the conseqeucne is: as long as their is Islam in the world, their will be no peace. Islam's demand is total and all-emracing. this should make you think on how realistic it is that you can have an unlimted state of coexistence and mutual tolerance with Islam. Islam does not know peace with non-Islam - only times of enforced seize-firing. After 1400 years of constant conquest, war and violence in which Idlam excels more than any other world religion or culture it is high time for mankind to realize this, and draw consequences from this. An end of Islam with horror, or Islamic horror without end? And no, I have not found an answer for myself to this question, for both answers horrify me, too. During my lifetime I would be satisfied with seeing Islamic colonization and conquest in Europe being brought to a halt. - but as we all can easily imagine, none of my ideas will become true. Our mentality is against it. It's easier and less violant to arrange oneself with the status quo and find more and more twisted excuses why it is reasonable to do so. Maybe the complete desaster of WWII has burned out any sense of resistance in us indeed.

[Skybird]

I wonder what the Old Testament should have to do with all this. Christian acting refers to the Christ - who by his own life alone became the founding figure of "Christianity", before him their was no idea of a christian religion at all, there only was Judaism. A christianity referring to the OT is not Christian at all, in the meaning of the word. I tend to understand these constant references to the OT as attempts to put things into politically correct relations and make it seem that Islam compares to Jesus' teachings (these are the only true Christian message there is, necessarily and as expressed in the word "Christian", anything else is church and politics only), and that Islam is as harmless. It does not compare, in any way. If you want to do a structural comparion of scriptures in Islam and christianity, than only the message of Jesus is truly representative for Islam, and the Koran as it should have been dicated by Muhammad is representative for Islam. I do not see what Islamic scripture could compare to the role that the Old Testament plays.