Topside torpedoes

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by me

My bet is, externally stored U-boat eels began declining in June 1943 when Doenitz resumed his futile efforts...saving the Reich a few RieichsMarks for the Russian front ...pending further investigations of course!

Originally Posted by KriegsMarine

I guess it's gotta be the year of 1943, maybe after the Black May.

Originally Posted by Kapitän

Standing B.d.U. Order No.305, from 3 May 1943 states:


1. Type VII B, C, D - None
2. Type IX B, C - Normally, none - IX C only with Special Patrol Order, 2 Upper Deck Containers with 2 Torpedoes
3. Type IX D - 12 Upper Deck Containers with 12 Torpdoes

TAAAA daaaa! is there a web site for that order?

[Kapitän]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

TAAAA daaaa! is there a web site for that order?

http://www.uboatarchive.net/index.html

[Aktungbby]

thanx!

[FUBAR295]

If you go to http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDU/BDUKTB30323.htm and on page 330 the following shows up on Doenitz's KTB for May 1 to 15, 1943.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

VI. General: Provision of upper deck containers: On 30.4 the order was given to omit upper deck containers when fitting out all boats operating in the North Atlantic. This order was necessitated by the gradually increasing number of cases where, when the boats were depth-charged or bombed, especially at fairly great depths, the upper deck containers were cracked or started leaking, or were swamped and thus very gravely endangered the boat, especially the Type IX which carries 8 deck containers. It is suspected that this has been the cause of the loss of many boats. The following orders are now in force for the provision of upper deck containers: 1) Type VIIb, c, d - none. 2) Type IXb, c - normally none. Type IXc is to take 6 upper deck containers with 6 torpedoes when special orders are given, but only on operations in the south. 3) Type IXd - 12 upper deck containers with 12 torpedoes. Thus, the upper deck cargo for IXc boats operating in the
south has been reduced from 8 to 6 torpedoes to reduce the danger to the boat if containers should spring a leak.
In connection with the foregoing order Ob.d.M. made the following decision regarding new construction of upper deck containers. i) Containers on all boats in commission will not be replaced if they have proved faulty. ii) New construction Type VIIc will be equipped with stronger iron upper deck containers as already planned, also, as before, the loading gear for use at sea. iii) New construction Type IXc will be equipped with 6 upper deck containers built of light metal, but possessing greater stability; Type IXd will carry 12 containers. iv) Type IXb and c boats putting to sea without upper deck containers will not have their ballast redistributed, but will carry some 5 tons less fuel. v) Type Xb will be issued with 6 upper deck containers as before, but they are only to be put on board if special orders are given.

[John Pancoast]

Originally Posted by FUBAR295

If you go to http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDU/BDUKTB30323.htm and on page 330 the following shows up on Doenitz's KTB for May 1 to 15, 1943.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

VI. General: Provision of upper deck containers: On 30.4 the order was given to omit upper deck containers when fitting out all boats operating in the North Atlantic. This order was necessitated by the gradually increasing number of cases where, when the boats were depth-charged or bombed, especially at fairly great depths, the upper deck containers were cracked or started leaking, or were swamped and thus very gravely endangered the boat, especially the Type IX which carries 8 deck containers. It is suspected that this has been the cause of the loss of many boats. The following orders are now in force for the provision of upper deck containers: 1) Type VIIb, c, d - none. 2) Type IXb, c - normally none. Type IXc is to take 6 upper deck containers with 6 torpedoes when special orders are given, but only on operations in the south. 3) Type IXd - 12 upper deck containers with 12 torpedoes. Thus, the upper deck cargo for IXc boats operating in the
south has been reduced from 8 to 6 torpedoes to reduce the danger to the boat if containers should spring a leak.
In connection with the foregoing order Ob.d.M. made the following decision regarding new construction of upper deck containers. i) Containers on all boats in commission will not be replaced if they have proved faulty. ii) New construction Type VIIc will be equipped with stronger iron upper deck containers as already planned, also, as before, the loading gear for use at sea. iii) New construction Type IXc will be equipped with 6 upper deck containers built of light metal, but possessing greater stability; Type IXd will carry 12 containers. iv) Type IXb and c boats putting to sea without upper deck containers will not have their ballast redistributed, but will carry some 5 tons less fuel. v) Type Xb will be issued with 6 upper deck containers as before, but they are only to be put on board if special orders are given.

[FUBAR295]

Just a side note, this is used by the mod "Just Following Orders" or "JFO" which makes a difference in how you approach things, because of those orders. It shows just how thoroughly they research their material for use. A great mod that I think should be used.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

[John Pancoast]

Originally Posted by FUBAR295

Just a side note, this is used by the mod "Just Following Orders" or "JFO" which makes a difference in how you approach things, because of those orders. It shows just how thoroughly they research their material for use. A great mod that I think should be used.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

I downloaded it a long time ago, just haven't got around to trying it yet. Thanks for the tip.

[John Pancoast]

Originally Posted by FUBAR295

Just a side note, this is used by the mod "Just Following Orders" or "JFO" which makes a difference in how you approach things, because of those orders. It shows just how thoroughly they research their material for use. A great mod that I think should be used.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

Have an installation question about this mod. In reading the instructions about editing the menu.ini file, it seems he's saying you must use the items listed in the gui he used for the relevant .ini editing.
I.e., OLC this and that.tgas. (convoy map, etc.).

I have the FLB .tga equivalents in my current install; can I use those still with the needed to do so .ini editing of course, instead of the OLC ones the author lists ?
If not, which makman gui version is he referencing to get the .tga files from ?