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Islam first. Human rights second, please. Typical for modern times. It was said that left parties throughout europe can expect to get up to 90% of the votes from Muslim communities for opening door and gate for Islam ineurope. It also was said that they often arrange real deals like that (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=93833)
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Yes PC Madness controls the U.K.
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When I click your link the story doesn't show.
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No. Link works okay for me. It is an article by the Daily Mail, headline should read "Plans to outlaw enforced marriages shelved"
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Daily Mail is the original, AL. JW just copied it.
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Don't worry. I tried the link again and it now works. Reading now.
Firstly forced marriages are not approved of or condoned in Islam. I'm really not sure how you concluded what you did from reading that article. Quote:
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Here you go read on.
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Konovalov,
And you again are blind to the fact that another time the faction you want so hard to represent is involved and the vast majority of it remains silent and does not force it's word-leaders to step back when they opposed the law. I am not intersted so much in your personal interpretation of Islam. what counts is what Muslim community is doing (or not doin) in actual deeds. Deeds tell so much more than words. Sometime I wonder if you really have ever realized what you were into when becoming Muslim. So tell us. Why do the speakers of Muslim mcommunities (in Germany as well, btw) oppose a law banning enforced marriages that staistically are overwhelmingly represneted in families from Muslim courtries, and why does the overwhelming majority of Muslims do not do anything about calling these leaders back and replace them, if it is true what you say and this is no Islamic issue? You onow as well as I do that there are many passages in the Koran that excuse and actively encourage that women should be treated as subordinates that must obey to males, must be beaten and controlled. If you try to reject that, I'll just need to stand up, get some papers, and simply copy over those verses and context that proove you wrong. It's only work, but no object of doubt. By Islam's sick view of women it does implicitly excuse forced marriages very much.
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The trouble is Skybird, the Government is a coward the law is a joke and PC madness is going around telling people to bend over backwards for them.
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If you can't see what your statement (that enforced marriage is not approved by islam) and my reply pointing at Koran's understanding of women has to do with the newspaper article I linked to, then this is where discussion necessarily ends, for then we do not share enough common ground anymore to communicate, and obviopusly even do not speak the same language. Fact is the article, amongst other details, said that Muslim speakers opposed a law that was meant to outlaw forced marriages, and fact is that you have not or cannot answer my question why it is that Muslim communites allow these speakers to represent them and their interests if it would be true what you say and Islam does not promote forced marriages. Comparable questions about this contradiction I have asked repeatedly over the months, and not one time you were able or willing to answer it. You are trapped in a contradiction and deflect your anger of that on me. I fight for Islam being driven back in Europe, that is true, and both by content of slam'S teaching and by it's history we Europeans have very good and substantial reasons not wanting to see Islam playing a bigger and bigger role in Europe and in the world. you cannot dance on two parties at the same time. Either you want to be Muslim indeed, than your target must be global totalitarian rulerhsip of Islam as it is defined in it's own self-understanding and scriptures and has been prooven to be true in it's complete history, or you stick to the tradition of Western values and understanding of humanitarian philosophy, by which, I suppose, you had been raised and that you were educated in at school. You can't have both. Both is excluding to each other. Sitting over the Koran and learn its verses and Arabic will help nothing to change that, it will only funnel your thinking. As far as I am concerned, I am also getting tired as you of these constant irritations between you and me. I find your effort to be both - Western, reasonable humanitarian and Muslim, scripture-believing totalitarian - absurd. Let's avoid each other.
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"As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." Abraham Lincoln "Thereupon I concluded: As I would not be a dhimmi, so I would not be a Muslim." Ali Sina
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