What ideology did the National Socialism party have?

mapuc · 11-29-19, 05:58 PM

^ I don't believe in anything anymore

As I wrote in my first post

"I couldn't be more indifferent if they belong to far right or to the left..."
The words "be mor indifferent" should have been "couldn't care less"

And by the way...Dowly is right

Markus

JU_88 · 11-29-19, 06:25 PM

Well that esculated quickly.

the far right and far left have alot more in common than they would like to admit. e.g both have an unhealthy obsession with group identity and seek power though division (dividing society in to perceived victims and perpertrators based on group.) Both think tyrrany through political violence is perfectly acceptable. And belive in the naive and childish notion of some kind of achievable utopia - 'as long as they are the ones in charge - of course'
Plus they can't debate for crap with out getting into a rage, but then such radicals (at the grunt activist level anyway) are not usually particularly bright people, so thats no surprise.
Remember when the News used to bring in an 'Expert' in certain segments, anyone else noticed how often they bring in 'activists' now instead. pretty funny. Rather than person with great analycal skills here's is a mindless zelot.

Catfish · 11-29-19, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

[...] "I couldn't be more indifferent if they belong to far right or to the left..." [...]Markus

Markus, i do not mean it personally, but there are so many trolls here lately that i am beginning to lose patience. I wonder if anoyne went to school or had some education; it looks as if most get their information and belief from The Sun, Fox News or Facebook.

It is of course a self-amplifying effect, when you look for your opinion you get your tailored answers (Skybird might tell you some psychological reason), provided by Google, so you can happily live on in your filter bubble, provided by "neutral" seach engines or political opinion builders like Express UK, Fox News or Russia Today.

So you post some 'easy' or should i say 'naive' (sorry) questions, seeing people trying honestly to answer, but then you pick the most right wing answer (which you already decided to believe when you "asked"), and in the end always say you believe in their reasoning. Not only here, not only now.
For me, this is nothing else but trolling. If you are real and want real answers read some books for F's sake. The internet is an influence-propaganda machine providing positive feedback to give in to personal prejudices and amplify them, with support to those who pay most.
But nothing can replace a good school education or your own educated decision and thinking. You should always have doubts about easy answers, always question your own opinion, it will help understanding in the end.

I probably used the wrong words, was insulting and impatient and arrogant, and i am sorry. And i'm finally out, promised.

Dowly · 11-30-19, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

^ I don't believe in anything anymore

And you shouldn't! There are SO MUCH crap information out there that you are better off checking it.

It's not even political stuff, but history too. There's channels like "Oversimplified History" on youtube that's hugely popular... it says in the title that's it's oversimplified... why would anyone want to watch that?

****ing sucks that humanity is getting stupider out of lazyness. Our future Einsteins will be the average people of 10 years past.

**** this ****!

EDIT: And especially now, looking at you US politics (and brexit etc.), the real information has been muddled with the false, conspiracy etc. and this goes both ways, left and right.

We live in a time when we have more information on our phone in our pocket than a human has ever had, yet... we choose to not use it, because partisanship/world view/and so on.

JU_88 · 11-30-19, 03:22 AM

Wise words from the Llama

Though I think ive seen that "Oversimplified History" on YT, its meant to be abit of a parody no?. Isnt its polularity down to its humor rather than it being informative?

Skybird · 11-30-19, 07:21 AM

So now history can only be true if in compliance with lefty world views. well, you learn something new every day.

Islam does the same, it even actively destriys artifacts referring to nonislamic cultures and early times. But left societies will get there, too. Schools in Germany already teach heavily revised concepts of history and politics, and the media actively suppress unwanted views and facts.

Just to mention over-simlification and Ludwig von Mises in one thread - thats a bit rich.You could as well link Einstein to esoterics.

JU_88 · 12-02-19, 06:07 AM

Sky, its only facsistic Radial Islamists /lefties / righties) that really buy in to the tyrannical approach. they only get anywhere because moderates either bend the knee, fail nip it the bud or just ignore it in the hope it will go away.

You as indervidual can do what you can to fight it/ argue against it before hand, but ultimatley the majority will decide their own fate (and ours).

Still I wouldnt lose too much sleep over them though because even when they succeed in pushing the masses to comply with their utopian fantasy, its all doomed to fail soon enough. (albeit at some cost to society or humanity.)
But the approach of enforcing an idea or world view ALWAYs fails in the end.
Even when they win, they will still lose, that type of stupidity rarely goes unpunnished in the long term.

Skybird · 12-02-19, 07:05 AM

Yes, I usually call them all totalitarian. Over here, some critical thinkers call Islam Islamofascism indeed. And they are right. A differentiation between polticla and on-political Islam, between Islam and Islamism, has never been, its a modern creation to weasel about the brutal fact of that there is only one valid candidate to claim Islam: the Islam of Muhammad. There has not been an official splitting of th curch, nor emerging of a second gospel of the Quran forming a tradition that is softening the brutality of the original book.Islam is Islam, and it is a totalitarian, racist, supremacist power-political ideology where the umma, the community, is everythign and the individual counts nothing. And that is what is called totalitarianism. Fascism. I am preahcing this since years. To speka of moderate Islam is like speaking of moderate Stalinism or humanist Nazism, or to make a difference between humanistic Nazism and radical "nazissism". Its BS. But elivers the wanted excuse to not start confronting this monstrous ideology, for that would become a hard fight. Preferred is Ringelpietz mit Anfassen as an alternative. Lets love each other.

There are those "Muslims" who want to reform Islam indeed. I know some such names here in germany, and as far as they are maning it honest and serious, they are right. But then they should have the courage and consistence to realise that what they create there is no longer Islamic anbd is not Islam. They should split away and found their own, new thing. As long as hmanists want to reform Nazism and turn it into somethign friendlier, but insist on themselves still being seen as Nazism, they help to give evil a kind face, and so i avoid them nevertheless, even if they are kind people.

The confrontation of evil shall not be saved. Calling it by its real name shall not be saved.

Most of the global Muslim world, the overwhelming majority of it, ticks extremely conservative, radical. Because the ideology is such in its core and essence, and so was the example set by Muhammad, and was his biography.

I think every state over time turns increasingly totalitarian, always, unavoidably. I do not know a single exception. Some already start more totalitarian thna others, some move into that direction faster or slwoer than others, but they all shift at that direction, always, and without real interuptions and standstills in this process. The founding religious or political ideoglogy of them seems to be irrelevant for this.

11-29-19, 06:25 PM	#2
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,811 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Well that esculated quickly. the far right and far left have alot more in common than they would like to admit. e.g both have an unhealthy obsession with group identity and seek power though division (dividing society in to perceived victims and perpertrators based on group.) Both think tyrrany through political violence is perfectly acceptable. And belive in the naive and childish notion of some kind of achievable utopia - 'as long as they are the ones in charge - of course' Plus they can't debate for crap with out getting into a rage, but then such radicals (at the grunt activist level anyway) are not usually particularly bright people, so thats no surprise. Remember when the News used to bring in an 'Expert' in certain segments, anyone else noticed how often they bring in 'activists' now instead. pretty funny. Rather than person with great analycal skills here's is a mindless zelot. Last edited by JU_88; 11-29-19 at 06:49 PM.

11-30-19, 07:21 AM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,687 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	So now history can only be true if in compliance with lefty world views. well, you learn something new every day. Islam does the same, it even actively destriys artifacts referring to nonislamic cultures and early times. But left societies will get there, too. Schools in Germany already teach heavily revised concepts of history and politics, and the media actively suppress unwanted views and facts. Just to mention over-simlification and Ludwig von Mises in one thread - thats a bit rich.You could as well link Einstein to esoterics. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-02-19, 06:07 AM	#7
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,811 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Sky, its only facsistic Radial Islamists /lefties / righties) that really buy in to the tyrannical approach. they only get anywhere because moderates either bend the knee, fail nip it the bud or just ignore it in the hope it will go away. You as indervidual can do what you can to fight it/ argue against it before hand, but ultimatley the majority will decide their own fate (and ours). Still I wouldnt lose too much sleep over them though because even when they succeed in pushing the masses to comply with their utopian fantasy, its all doomed to fail soon enough. (albeit at some cost to society or humanity.) But the approach of enforcing an idea or world view ALWAYs fails in the end. Even when they win, they will still lose, that type of stupidity rarely goes unpunnished in the long term. Last edited by JU_88; 12-02-19 at 06:34 AM.

12-02-19, 07:05 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,687 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Yes, I usually call them all totalitarian. Over here, some critical thinkers call Islam Islamofascism indeed. And they are right. A differentiation between polticla and on-political Islam, between Islam and Islamism, has never been, its a modern creation to weasel about the brutal fact of that there is only one valid candidate to claim Islam: the Islam of Muhammad. There has not been an official splitting of th curch, nor emerging of a second gospel of the Quran forming a tradition that is softening the brutality of the original book.Islam is Islam, and it is a totalitarian, racist, supremacist power-political ideology where the umma, the community, is everythign and the individual counts nothing. And that is what is called totalitarianism. Fascism. I am preahcing this since years. To speka of moderate Islam is like speaking of moderate Stalinism or humanist Nazism, or to make a difference between humanistic Nazism and radical "nazissism". Its BS. But elivers the wanted excuse to not start confronting this monstrous ideology, for that would become a hard fight. Preferred is Ringelpietz mit Anfassen as an alternative. Lets love each other. There are those "Muslims" who want to reform Islam indeed. I know some such names here in germany, and as far as they are maning it honest and serious, they are right. But then they should have the courage and consistence to realise that what they create there is no longer Islamic anbd is not Islam. They should split away and found their own, new thing. As long as hmanists want to reform Nazism and turn it into somethign friendlier, but insist on themselves still being seen as Nazism, they help to give evil a kind face, and so i avoid them nevertheless, even if they are kind people. The confrontation of evil shall not be saved. Calling it by its real name shall not be saved. Most of the global Muslim world, the overwhelming majority of it, ticks extremely conservative, radical. Because the ideology is such in its core and essence, and so was the example set by Muhammad, and was his biography. I think every state over time turns increasingly totalitarian, always, unavoidably. I do not know a single exception. Some already start more totalitarian thna others, some move into that direction faster or slwoer than others, but they all shift at that direction, always, and without real interuptions and standstills in this process. The founding religious or political ideoglogy of them seems to be irrelevant for this. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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11-29-19, 05:58 PM	#1
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ I don't believe in anything anymore As I wrote in my first post "I couldn't be more indifferent if they belong to far right or to the left..." The words "be mor indifferent" should have been "couldn't care less" And by the way...Dowly is right Markus

11-30-19, 03:22 AM	#5
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,811 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Wise words from the Llama Though I think ive seen that "Oversimplified History" on YT, its meant to be abit of a parody no?. Isnt its polularity down to its humor rather than it being informative?