Battleship Command

[Hitman]

Yes a darker shade of blue works better and good to know the colors can be changed easily, will allow for differentiating between world oceans and seas when you expand the sim.

I must say though that still pictures do not justice to the sea, the animation is really good and makes it so much more alive

One question, do you plan to keep the targeting stations in 2D as of now with the 3D window (Rangefinder) or will they be full 3D? I think 2D is good enough and makes for an easier layout of pop up windows for the computer, rangefinder, etc, allowing you to combine all those functionalities in a single place (More logical for a single player) but of course 3D is always somehow more immersive.

[bracer]

Yes, I am quite satisfied with this shader, and the performance is nice!
It's funny how the better understanding of code you get and the more complicated code you write, the better the performance!?
My first attempts at water, as you can see on the early pages of this thread, looked terrible and was super laggy...






I did have a 3d interface for the fire director for a while.
You can see it here, 2 minutes in:

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2536683&postcount=46


Sadly it had very bad performance, and there was alot of issues.
The fire director uses a picture-in-picture concept which is performance hungry. And when you enable the stereoscopic rangefinder it is 2 pictures-in-pictures.
So for now until I find a better solution, it will be 2d.
I may improve the textures and make it feel 3d!

[Hitman]

Ah yes I had forgotten that early version

Some aspects of it where quite good, but then again it is probably the fact that the current 2D one isn't yet completely developed.

This is an area where I would like to help, though time is a scarce commodity for me. You might know I did my own GUI for SH3 years ago, and I am a devoted fan of manual targetting, so I could maybe do some suggestions and artwork concept for you to check. Most important thing would be first of all to know what base controls and extra (enabled on command) panels you want to have.

I believe the most intuitive layout is what they actually had in real life i.e. center of screen is the view to the external world, center top of it the bearing indicators, center bottom the operating knobs and readout for the rangefinder. Then you can add to the left and right the extra panels -activated on command- for radar, computer and gunnery control (Turrets and fire buttons).

[bracer]

Yes, it looked quite cool the 3d fire director, but with the amount of info/buttons required some 2d interfaces will be needed anyway.
I have yet to decide and know which buttons and functions should be accesible at the fire director screen.
The other functions will probably be placed on interactable panels in the director room.
Many of the controls you need to access would actually be in totally different rooms.
For example in the fire director I have added a artillery switchboard, which would be far bellow deck in reality.
Based on this photo from Prinz Eugen:



There is extremely little reference photos from the german warships, so my fire director is based on this one from Bismarck:



Here is Prinz Eugen again, main plotting room:



The radar:


So that's atleast the estetic style I am going to aim towards in the HUD design.
And all this I want in one HUD
I would love to see/hear your ideas!
As stated I still don't know exactly which buttons are needed on the HUD, I will try to summarize it soon.
But apart from technical functions, I also need a panel for interaction with AI crew.
For example to designate targets, report distance to a target for the AI to calculate speed and heading of the target, and various fire orders.

[Hitman]

I had seen those pics, and I have Mullenheim-Rechberg's book. The design layout has to combine all the firing operations and data aquisition, so panels that switch on/off are the obvious way to go. The permanent part of the layout must be the viewport in the centre with bearing on top, everything else on the sides and bottom can change on command from range/course/speed finding to firing commands.

I think you will need a permanent bar on the bottom with quick access to stations and append to it other switchable panels like navigation info (Compass and speed repeater) and crew orders. Also, bear in mind you will need to double the use of firing control as torpedo director because these ships were equipped with torpedoes!

The crew orders panel could enable as translucent over the screen when called, so that you do not lose sight of the rest. The orders there should be able to be programmed to a key or key combo by the user, or use the panel knob.

Anyway yes first thing you need is to list the actions/commands you want, ideally make a sequence of the fire ranging procedure and what functions need be used at each moment, then it becomes clearer how to start organizing the layout.

[bracer]

I did read the Barons book, Bismarck Survivor Story. Very interesting read!

And it really gives a sense on how big these ships were and how complicated it was to have situational awareness.

Yes, panels that can be switched between is definitly a must, organized in some nice way.

The torpedo station will probably be done in a different screen since it would have totally different controls/settings.

The secondary artillery on the other hand should be controlled from the main director.
I still haven't decided how much control to have over the secondaries.
Should it be each and every gun individually as with the main artillery, or more like port guns/starboard guns.
It can easily get overwhelming, allthough I personally love total control over each single barrel.

If I could I would manage the reloading procedure aswell!

[agathosdaimon]

you probably already have the books by M J. Whitley on German Capital Ships and Cruisers - but i was just perusing my copy to see if it had any interior pics,
unfortunately not, however in reading the fire control section on the scharnhorst it brings some questions to mind


is what you are implementing in the game reflective of the Zielanweisergeraete (ZAG) target indicator sight


And what was the C30 Fire control equipment - is this in the design



and will you be bring time of day/night changes into the game and if so, searchlights will be a must for the night setting - i would love to see a ww2 naval game with decent searchlight depiction - the only game i can think of that has searchlights in it iare Action Stations! from RAW and Warship Combat Navies at War from NWS but those were tactical strategy games