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Old 06-24-19, 01:45 PM   #1
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Heh, because you know, they make that allegation without breakdown of analasys under their own methodology or evidence. But sure, it is easy to disregard sources for them being, ehem, inconvenient. Especially when investigative journalists are going against the leftists who run the tech monopolies.
I would suggest watching the video and, say, following the examples they provide to see for yourself if google search warps reality to suit a political agenda.


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Evidence please.
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People get arrested for misgendering others on social media.
People get sentenced with prison time over jokes.
A lady being arrested over misgendering a person on twitter:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ould-tackling/
A comedian being sentenced for prison time over a joke uploaded to his small youtube channel:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8270631.html
There are many other such cases that do not make the news.

There is also a degree of censorship, both external (users being unpersoned by paralel action of social media companies) and internal (people not speaking their mind out of fear). A good article on topic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...orwell/590638/


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And what has this Google and "tech companies" thing to do with arresting people, because of political reasons, in the EU?
It is indeed a separate but related issue, where the west is actually growing tyranical corporate leftist institutions in addition to the state institutions. The censorship is mostly done by those private platforms, but it is done pre-emptively, ahead of being censored under the new hate speach laws.
In UK for example you can be convicted with jail time for anything that is "grossly offensive" with what is "grossly offensive" being left to discretion of the judge.
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Old 06-24-19, 02:24 PM   #2
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"The Atlantic" article about Orwell, 1984 and our current times is indeed very good, but it points at a completely other direction than you want me to see (8or so i think?)

"The warnings were justified, but their emphasis on the mechanisms of earlier dictatorships drew attention away from the heart of the malignancy—not the state, but the individual. The crucial issue was not that Trump might abolish democracy but that Americans had put him in a position to try. Unfreedom today is voluntary. It comes from the bottom up."

"We are living with a new kind of regime that didn’t exist in Orwell’s time. It combines hard nationalism—the diversion of frustration and cynicism into xenophobia and hatred—with soft distraction and confusion: a blend of Orwell and Huxley, cruelty and entertainment.
The state of mind that the Party enforces through terror in 1984, where truth becomes so unstable that it ceases to exist, we now induce in ourselves. Totalitarian propaganda unifies control over all information, until reality is what the Party says it is—the goal of Newspeak is to impoverish language so that politically incorrect thoughts are no longer possible. Today the problem is too much information from too many sources, with a resulting plague of fragmentation and division—not excessive authority but its disappearance, which leaves ordinary people to work out the facts for themselves, at the mercy of their own prejudices and delusions."


"During the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, propagandists at a Russian troll farm used social media to disseminate a meme: “ ‘The People Will Believe What the Media Tells Them They Believe.’ — George Orwell.” But Orwell never said this. The moral authority of his name was stolen and turned into a lie toward that most Orwellian end: the destruction of belief in truth.
The Russians needed partners in this effort and found them by the millions, especially among America’s non-elites. In 1984, working-class people are called “proles,” and Winston believes they’re the only hope for the future. As Lynskey points out, Orwell didn’t foresee “that the common man and woman would embrace doublethink as enthusiastically as the intellectuals and, without the need for terror or torture, would choose to believe that two plus two was whatever they wanted it to be.”"


Very much to the point. The threat is not a left-wing regime like in 1984 though, but the left is delusional in thinking they can stand up against bullying and fake news while hemselves sticking to facts, reality and truth. This is a post-factual time. Insisting on facts and trying to debunk every new lie will not help them.
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