Can't end patrol

Originally Posted by Red Devil

can i recommend you find a forum that does not require donations to survive for the past 20 bloody years?

Can I recommend people with special "I gave money badges" to follow the rules and not spam at people who make a first post begging for money? Apparently not, those people don't have to follow the rules.

How nice, and I wouldn't call the condition Subsim is in as surviving. Life support maybe, living, hardly. Forums politics has killed this forum and the people in charge are 100% to blame. And the people that suck up too them are just as guilty.


And odd, I've seen plenty of website survive without continually begging for money. It's just that they aren't run by a bunch of jerks who run off all the good content creators like this website has done.


And before you ask, yes, I don't want anything to do with this site, but I have to have a forum account, just to have access to the downloads page. Don't like me, don't want to see me here, change that, and I'll have no reason for having an account.

[Sniper297]

I haven't said anything up to now, to me they're like walmart greeters - some like them or they wouldn't be there, I just smile, nod, and move on.

However. If we're looking to increase membership it CAN be counterproductive, new guy joins to ask a question, instead of an answer he gets several welcome messages, and when the welcomers have links in their siggys it can be real confusing to a newcomer since he assumes his answer is in one of the links somewhere. Not going to encourage a new guy to stay by spamming with warm welcome messages and zero helpful posts that actually deal with the problems, some of the forums I've been a moderator on would consider that type of thing OFF TOPIC and delete them.

[Red Devil]

Originally Posted by Slyguy3129

Can I recommend people with special "I gave money badges" to follow the rules and not spam at people who make a first post begging for money? Apparently not, those people don't have to follow the rules.

How nice, and I wouldn't call the condition Subsim is in as surviving. Life support maybe, living, hardly. Forums politics has killed this forum and the people in charge are 100% to blame. And the people that suck up too them are just as guilty.

And odd, I've seen plenty of website survive without continually begging for money. It's just that they aren't run by a bunch of jerks who run off all the good content creators like this website has done.

And before you ask, yes, I don't want anything to do with this site, but I have to have a forum account, just to have access to the downloads page. Don't like me, don't want to see me here, change that, and I'll have no reason for having an account.

I run a British Army Regimental forum, have done for many years (20+), I rely on donations to maintain 1. the software, which is constantly being upgraded and security upgrades too.

2. The cost of running this also includes the cost of annual hosting the forum, which is attached to a Web site. Which also incurs the cost of the annual registration of the site eg: subsim.com in this case.

If a person starts something like this off, it incurs initial costs BUT - if it becomes successful as this has been for many years, then additional funds are either required or the owner pays for more and more annually.

I do not ask for subs at any time for my forum, but I did ask for the initial cost of providing a lifetime purchase of a licence which gives me ownership of the particular software I use on my forum.

BUT, every 6 months I owe a small sum for the upgrade and security of the sofware. THAT is why, I say to my members, hey lads, a few £ in the kitty will secure the security and site for x years. My current registration, thanks to donations, is currently sometime in 2024, and the domain name reg is about the same. I pay in advance, so in the event of my death (I am 70 in Aug); the site will live on for a while.

The stipulation by mein hosts is that any increases during that period will be offered to me for payment.

I pay a relatively SMALL amount every 12 months as I have 1. a belief in his work and the members and 2. I have a crap memory (thanks to a brain virus I contracted whilst serving in the British Army in N Ireland.).

You would not be surprised to learn how long it took me to type this reply!!!

Give Neal some slack, nothing is for FREE. This site, subsim, is on vBulletin. I left that eons ago because it went 'bad' - iyt was taken over by someone and costs rose.

[torpedobait]

Originally Posted by Slyguy3129

Can I recommend people with special "I gave money badges" to follow the rules and not spam at people who make a first post begging for money? Apparently not, those people don't have to follow the rules.

How nice, and I wouldn't call the condition Subsim is in as surviving. Life support maybe, living, hardly. Forums politics has killed this forum and the people in charge are 100% to blame. And the people that suck up too them are just as guilty.


And odd, I've seen plenty of website survive without continually begging for money. It's just that they aren't run by a bunch of jerks who run off all the good content creators like this website has done.


And before you ask, yes, I don't want anything to do with this site, but I have to have a forum account, just to have access to the downloads page. Don't like me, don't want to see me here, change that, and I'll have no reason for having an account.

What's with the attitude? I don't understand what it is you want this site to be, but what it isn't is all about YOU. No offense, but you come off sounding like a spoiled little kid who lives for his next tantrum. Who peed in your Wheaties that makes you so apparently angry and/or bitter? I don't really want to know, frankly. But maybe you could try to be a bit more civil and less antagonistic in your posts. This forum is intended to be a source of information and help for others less blessed than you with game talent. Try being a bit of a giver, instead of strictly a taker. You might actually like the novel experience.

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by torpedobait

What's with the attitude? I don't understand what it is you want this site to be, but what it isn't is all about YOU. No offense, but you come off sounding like a spoiled little kid who lives for his next tantrum. Who peed in your Wheaties that makes you so apparently angry and/or bitter? I don't really want to know, frankly. But maybe you could try to be a bit more civil and less antagonistic in your posts. This forum is intended to be a source of information and help for others less blessed than you with game talent. Try being a bit of a giver, instead of strictly a taker. You might actually like the novel experience.

I understand his point from his second post, didn't see the first one. Personally, I quit reading THEBERBSTER's posts and scroll on by. For the most part they're all the same, "Welcome to Subsim, donate here *link*, *link to thread full of links to other threads*." I get what he's doing but from some viewpoints it could be considered spam, doesn't answer the question and doesn't pertain to the thread.

[Red Devil]

the Berbsters is an automated welcome to newbies. Quite simple really. Asl Neal to change it if it upsets your cart.