Russia interference in EU elections

[em2nought]

Mark Zuckerberg interferes in elections more than Russia.

[Catfish]

^ ok


Mark Zuckerberg, on Facebook's role in the election and Cambridge Analytica fraud:

“One of my greatest regrets in running the company is that we were slow in identifying the Russian information operations in 2016.
“We have kicked off an investigation … I imagine we’ll find some things.

“There are people in Russia whose job it is to try to exploit our systems and other internet systems and other systems as well.

“This is an ongoing arms race. As long as there are people sitting in Russia whose job is it to try to interfere in elections around the world, this is going to be an ongoing conflict.”

"I imagine" Zuckerberg does not really care..
And while the data breach and manipulation may have helped russian interests, the direct approach to help certain people and their campaigns had not directly to do with russian interference, it was done quite voluntarily.
Media influencing people's minds, who would ever think of that

[ikalugin]

Well I guess the west could squander it's resources fighting the chimera of the Russian intervention while destroying the liberties that made it great.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Well I guess the west could squander it's resources fighting the chimera of the Russian intervention while destroying the liberties that made it great.

While the first is quite real we are already very good in destroying our liberties and freedom, yes. But isn't this the plan?
Making something "great" is being seen and judged very different, depending on personal and political views.

[ikalugin]

We don't have a unified plan. Under the faceless and monolythic hood of the Russian state there are groups and actors working without much coordination with each other.

A good example of this would be FSB officers protecting hackers who would leak Medvedev's (when he was the president) private correspondence amongst other things. Incidentally this wasn't the reason why they were eventually sacked. Another would be the emergent strategy used in Syria (I would recommend reading Kofman).

The so called "troll factory" (internet research center) is one of many such organisations. Overall while such actors do operate in the west (and western actors operate and complete with those in Russia and elsewhere) I strongly believe that they do not have the resources to significantly affect much of anything. But yes, there is an element of the so called political warfare and measures below the threshhold of war due to the strong mutual nuclear and conventional deterrence.


The issue is that much like the Reichstag fire this is being used by those with the real institutional power to gain more power and limit the liberties of common citizens.

[Catfish]

You may be right..it boggles the mind to imagine Putin really wanted this man to be president

[ikalugin]

Well we don't know how HC would have run things. And she was not exactly charitable to Russia, amongst other things.


Plus it is not Trump you should be scared of, it is Bolton.