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Due to the way the engines are placed and being bigger makes the MAX nose up at speed, which is why the MCAS system was put in place to counter that. In other words, it's a band aid. As for Mentour Pilot's video; since his Q&A videos seem to have been removed from his channel I can't verify, but from what I remember he removed the video because it was indeed speculation, but I don't recall him calling it factually wrong. It does show what pilots, who know what is going on, can do to try recover from the situation. In that they failed, because the manual trim was so hard to use even at <340kts speed. He also mentioned in the now removed Q&A video that he made the video to show what the situation must have been in the cockpit because he didn't like how people (like you) put the blame on the pilots. |
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If MCAS automatically turned off for the remainder of the flight when the pilot input 2 units or more of electric trim in the opposite direction as MCAS trim, the plane wouldn't have crashed. If the amount of down trim MCAS could dial into the stab was limited to under four units, the control console could easily overpower MCAS and the plane wouldn't have crashed. But let's be fair here. If the plane were really in a stalled condition and the pilot could overpower MCAS to pitch the plane even further up, the headline would be "Boeing Automatic Systems Unable to Save 150 Deaths." And the nay-sayers would be crowing that the automatic system could have saved the plane, but wasn't powerful enough to do so. In the safety biz, you are always wrong. Quote:
He said "I was wrong. I was speculating, not giving the hard facts that you expect from me." I'm not blaming the pilots. I'm saying that pilot error was the cause of the crash. They would be the first to expect us to find the truth and let everyone know how to avoid making their mistake. It is clear, according to the only source of facts we have, the Preliminary Accident Report, that the pilots, through wrong decisions in conflict with the Aircraft Flight Manual regarding elevator trim overrun situations, caused this plane to crash. They were helped by the ability of a system meant to introduce subtle "feel" that imitated the "feel" of other 737 series planes, having the power to input full down elevator that the pilots would be unable to overpower. The problem is that the general public treats this stuff like a football game. Pick a side and cheer for them, it's "us" against "them." And "them" need to be punished or executed. Real air accident investigation works entirely differently. Realizing that punishing erroneous decisions results in people clamming up and not saying the words that save future lives, air transportation safety agencies are not an adversarial procedure, but a search for the truth and a search for actions that will prevent future similar accidents. As long as humans live on the face of this planet, human error will occur, sometimes costing the lives of hundreds or thousands of people. Often those making the error pay with their lives and can't be punished later anyway. But when they don't, unless they committed crimes, punishment only forces them not to talk about what went wrong. Air traffic investigation is solely (in theory and mostly in practice) about preventing recurrence of tragedy.
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Boeing employees raise further accusations over shoddy production standards at Boeing, this time the Dreamliner.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/b...th=login-email
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You couldn't pay me the Earth's weight in gold to fly in anything French.
I also happily drive where I need to go. If I can't drive there, I have no business there. But some people don't have that luxury. In short, I don't trust anything with wings, no matter who built it. What would really help these companies is going 100% automated. It would atleast shut the Union idiots up. |
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^ Well, the french literally invented flying. I mean the Wright brothers were first (or maybe Karl Jatho even earlier), but their design had no real chance in the long run.
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Boeing slides deeper into it.
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What the hell were they thinking...??? A good news in all the bad news for the families of the pilots. The cheap get-out-of-dodge-theory of "pilot error" is almost ridiculous by now.
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