Diesel Submarines: The Game Changer the U.S. Navy Needs

[ikalugin]

US has allies to take up the SSK missions.

[Christopher Snow]

Well, maybe it's easier for me to spot because I happen to have a big monitor and I'm close to it, but that sub is flying two Japanese flags. So take your best guess?

[sonicninja]

The Royal Navy went down this route with The Upholder/Victoria-class submarines in the 1990's, also known as the Type 2400 (due to their displacement of 2,400 tonnes), they were diesel-electric fleet submarines.

The Royal Navy was going to follow the Oberons with nuclear-powered boats but there was still a role for diesel powered boats, as demonstrated by activities during the Falklands War, and they could be built faster than nuclear submarines.

The first of the class (Upholder) was ordered in November 1983 and completed in 1990, and there followed three more boats (Unseen, Ursula and Unicorn) ordered in 1986 and completed in 1991-1993. The Royal Navy had planned to order 12 of the class, but this was trimmed first to 10 and then to nine before being curtailed at four as part of the "peace dividend" at the end of the Cold War in the early 1990s.
In 1998, Canada accepted the four Upholders as replacements for their old Oberons; initially with one to operate in the Pacific fleet and three in the Atlantic, but later two boats were assigned to the Pacific.

Source of info:- Seaforces.org

I personally never served on Diesels I was an SSN rating but the guys I knew that had served on DB's said they were great boats.

Originally Posted by Penner10000

What kind of Submarine is on the picture?

Originally Posted by U56

My guess is Japanese Navy Soryu's.

That is correct.

https://www.naval-technology.com/pro...classsubmarin/

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

US has allies to take up the SSK missions.

If we build diesel submarines for Taiwan the chinese would get all out of shape. If we build submarines for Australia or Canada would be okay, but the years and money spent wouldn't make sense.

Mise well give them a couple of LA class refurbished boats and train their sailors.

India is the country I'm worried about ... they've now gone nuclear too, right?

Drones are the next defensive weapon ... especially buoy type of drones that can intercept pre-programed sounds.

[ikalugin]

Nuclear as in they produce nuclear submarines or as in they have nuclear weapons?

[U56]

[QUOTE=ikalugin;2570089]Nuclear as in they produce nuclear submarines or as in they have nuclear weapons?[/QUOTE

Both. India and Pakistan currently face off over Kashmir with a bunch of tactical nukes. India has leased nuclear submarines from Russia, and I think now has completed a domestic build one as well.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Nuclear as in they produce nuclear submarines or as in they have nuclear weapons?

Nuclear submarines ... they don't build them do they?

They probably get them from russia ... all I know is what the front page of subsim says.

[ikalugin]

They built a pair of light SSBNs with Russian assistance.
http://www.hisutton.com/Vanquisher%2...20Arihant.html
Which is essentially a stretched kilo with inserted missile and nuclear power plant compartments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine

[nikimcbee]

Wut? No love for the USS Blueback? They could modernize that? City of Portland hates it (cuz it's a WAR ship and precious, progressive Portland hates war)

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

If we build diesel submarines for Taiwan the chinese would get all out of shape. If we build submarines for Australia or Canada would be okay, but the years and money spent wouldn't make sense.

Mise well give them a couple of LA class refurbished boats and train their sailors.

India is the country I'm worried about ... they've now gone nuclear too, right?

Drones are the next defensive weapon ... especially buoy type of drones that can intercept pre-programed sounds.

Yeah, I thought the sea drones were all the rage now? The way the Navy is going, they would be tough to build, with all of the new requirements. Needs to be solar powered, transgender compliant, ADA compliant, All of the gauges will need to be in English, Spanish, Chinese, Vietnamese, Russian. Replace torp tubes with safe space and tide pod dispenser. What happens if there's no wifi signal, how will google maps work?