Diesel Submarines: The Game Changer the U.S. Navy Needs

[Mike Abberton]

The chances of the US Navy purchasing a weapon platform that they can't staff,
would need to develop an entirely new logistics train for, can only realistically base at foreign nation's ports to be useful, and only buy from a foreign nation for the 10-20 years it would take to get US production of a replacement on line, seems extremely unlikely to me.

Mike

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by Mike Abberton

The chances of the US Navy purchasing a weapon platform that they can't staff,
would need to develop an entirely new logistics train for, can only realistically base at foreign nation's ports to be useful, and only buy from a foreign nation for the 10-20 years it would take to get US production of a replacement on line, seems extremely unlikely to me.

Mike

Ding!
You win the cookie.

[Penner10000]

What kind of Submarine is on the picture?

[U56]

My guess is Japanese Navy Soryu's.

[ikalugin]

US has allies to take up the SSK missions.

[Christopher Snow]

Well, maybe it's easier for me to spot because I happen to have a big monitor and I'm close to it, but that sub is flying two Japanese flags. So take your best guess?

[sonicninja]

The Royal Navy went down this route with The Upholder/Victoria-class submarines in the 1990's, also known as the Type 2400 (due to their displacement of 2,400 tonnes), they were diesel-electric fleet submarines.

The Royal Navy was going to follow the Oberons with nuclear-powered boats but there was still a role for diesel powered boats, as demonstrated by activities during the Falklands War, and they could be built faster than nuclear submarines.

The first of the class (Upholder) was ordered in November 1983 and completed in 1990, and there followed three more boats (Unseen, Ursula and Unicorn) ordered in 1986 and completed in 1991-1993. The Royal Navy had planned to order 12 of the class, but this was trimmed first to 10 and then to nine before being curtailed at four as part of the "peace dividend" at the end of the Cold War in the early 1990s.
In 1998, Canada accepted the four Upholders as replacements for their old Oberons; initially with one to operate in the Pacific fleet and three in the Atlantic, but later two boats were assigned to the Pacific.

Source of info:- Seaforces.org

I personally never served on Diesels I was an SSN rating but the guys I knew that had served on DB's said they were great boats.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

US has allies to take up the SSK missions.

If we build diesel submarines for Taiwan the chinese would get all out of shape. If we build submarines for Australia or Canada would be okay, but the years and money spent wouldn't make sense.

Mise well give them a couple of LA class refurbished boats and train their sailors.

India is the country I'm worried about ... they've now gone nuclear too, right?

Drones are the next defensive weapon ... especially buoy type of drones that can intercept pre-programed sounds.

[ikalugin]

Nuclear as in they produce nuclear submarines or as in they have nuclear weapons?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

If we build diesel submarines for Taiwan the chinese would get all out of shape. If we build submarines for Australia or Canada would be okay, but the years and money spent wouldn't make sense.

Mise well give them a couple of LA class refurbished boats and train their sailors.

India is the country I'm worried about ... they've now gone nuclear too, right?

Drones are the next defensive weapon ... especially buoy type of drones that can intercept pre-programed sounds.

Yeah, I thought the sea drones were all the rage now? The way the Navy is going, they would be tough to build, with all of the new requirements. Needs to be solar powered, transgender compliant, ADA compliant, All of the gauges will need to be in English, Spanish, Chinese, Vietnamese, Russian. Replace torp tubes with safe space and tide pod dispenser. What happens if there's no wifi signal, how will google maps work?