Feedback from pro IT insiders on patching quality for W10: DEVASTATING

[Skybird]

The point is that mere playing some games does not stop me from trying to make people stop using Microsoft for just everything, knowing that in that case and Microsoft giving up on Windows the gaming under Windows would come to an end for me as wellin the foillowing aftermath of time. Many endless apologists who defend Microsoft and do their best to excuse Microsoft's lack of quality however make certain that this will never happen, and that the widespread dependency on Windows will continue and so Microsoft must not listne to customers. Equivalents of you exist in companies and on corporate level as well, plus the strong lobby Microsoft maintains in politics to make sure its stuff get used in public administrations for hefty yearly license fees costing the tax payer billions every year - for inferior quality and security - and even when the superiority of for example Linux has been proven by years of using alternative OS, like for example in Paris or Munich to name just two big cities. And so deveklopers have almost no other chance than to continue developing for Windows instead of Linux, and the dpeendency of future softweare oin Windows is the excuse then why not to give up on Wndows and migrate to Chrome, Apple or Linux. And mind you: in other hardware departments, Windows de facto has already been left behind. Mobiles are Anbdroid (Linux) land, servers for the most run under Linux as well worldwide. Just the PC market still gets suffocated by the depen dency on Windows.



What is the hypocrisy here: me just using it as long as it still is there, for things that are in the end just meaningless and unimportant, unsensibile regarding security and privacy and - documented and shared by others as well - technical instability issues, or people like you showing Microsoft that they must not care for better quality at all not just for gaming platforms, but seirous business platforms as adminstrativ enetworks and global office work?

And then telling me that I should not complain about Microsoft seriously reducing the performance value that I get in return for the financial investment I made? Are you a sales psychologist not caring for right and wrong who advises companies on how to get away with lousy product quality and deflect customers' justified criticism and complaints? The only focus on how to get away with it?


You can do yourself like you want, but when I see the return value of money I paid for broken stuff being sewriously degraded by the pruducer, I complain about it and warn of this company. You just ignore it and endlessly defend it. And by that make sure that they get away with it and see their customer-mocking policy working fine.

The hypocrisy is on your side. And fools like you who just swallow the BS Microsoft gives them, tell Microsoft that they must not do any better at all. Because there are so many fools accepting to not get better value.


Heck, the auto-repair site by Microsoft I have recommended to try out several months ago myself, you must not tell me. if things would be so perfect and simple like in your ideal corner of it, then things like the patching mess with Spectre 1+2 and Meltdown (both the lacking aiming in it and the lacking efficiency of it, while having hit performance of not all bnut quiote some new systems), the intel Microcode "updates" degrading quite some new system'S performance, and the general total lack of patch reliability in Micorsoft hurried-out untested stuff by Microsoft would not exist, Smarty. In the end you are just after trying to land cheap shots at me, like on other opportunities before. Do you even have any understanding about that practically every patch for W7, W8 and W10 last month once again was porked and faulty, once again driving IT departments into loads and loads of over-time hours? And the mess for the kost still is not fixed. And itds a mmess implemented by Microsoft patches. Malware-Patches that Microsoft still enforces on users - amnd dares to call a "service". But we shall not complaim about it? Business and companies should not as well?

And I do not even mention that the whole feature list and general design of Windows 10 is at least dubiou,s and highly questionable. I just aim at the de facto non-existing techncial reliability of it, and the patches meant to "fix" it. With every new branch of Windows 10, more and more useless, complicating, unwanted gimmicks must be left activated to not mess W10 stability up even further. That may not be of interest for unknowing and not caring private household owners. For business environments, that is somethign VERy diufferent and a thing of much bigger priority. Windows 10 is not just done badly, it also is bad by design, wanting to be evertyhing in one, and then much more. And that is what has shot oit down. W8 already was the preface to this, announcing the horror of the mess to come.

Dummkopf. Too bad I am no businessman myself, i could sell you just anything: broken, worthless stuff, and you never would hold me responsible for it and attack others who do. Customers like you are just the best. Even if I cause you damage, you would just accept it, not holding me liable. Would be paradise for me.

[Dowly]

@Skybird: I see we are at the point in our chat where you start making **** up and put words in my mouth. It's simple:


1) You preach about Windows 10 and encourage people not to use it.
2) You use it.
3) You are a hypocrite.


The less significant things you use your Windows 10 PC to do, the worse it is since that just shows how little you value your principles.

[Cyborg322]

Ladies !

[Skybird]

Susan Bradley's reply. I admire some people's self-control and patience.



https://www.askwoody.com/2018/patch-lady-my-response/

[mapuc]

As expected.

Day before yesterday I got an update from MS.
And today when I started my computer(have been shutdown for about 17 hours) it shut it self off at start up.

Now I'm waiting on the first BSOD.

Don't know it it's my computer or if it is what Skybird says-MS mess things up.

Markus

[Skybird]

Sorry that you got hit.

The past patching cycle was and still is a mess. And what has been released in August, is a mess as well.

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...y-patches.html

I have since longer time my internet connection defeined as "metered", that blocks so far all pathes, even those whose delay interval has been eaten up.

Not to have a patched system, and not to have the latest Windows Defender definitions, these days is the much safer option. How things have changed in the past 2, 3 years. Or better: how things have been changed by Microsoft. I remember it when getting patches and driver updates as fast as possible was safe, and the best way to keep your house clean. Today it is the best method to spell desaster, it seems.

[propbeanie]

Let me tell a little story, a few days late, if I may...

I use Win7 for the most part, but also have a laptop with Win8.1 on it, which I never much cared for - the Win8 that is - "tiles"... Anyway, I did the "Inside Ring" with Win10 RC1 onwards, and initially liked it. Then they started adding in stuff after RC2, and ruined the audio stream, which is very important to me. I completely dropped Win10 just before public release. I did not want it. Still don't - but I have it anyway, whether I like it or not...

I've managed to catch all of the MS "tricks" on my Win7 machines, like their doing double-negatives to answer a question (say whuh?), which reminded me of all of those "piggybacking" browser toolbars that ride along with Adobe "software". I missed ~something~ on the Win8.1 laptop - though I haven't a clue what it was... It's been sitting under my bed, not even plugged in for the last several months. The wireless NIC is just too inconsistent to make the machine usable for a human. But not for Microsoft apparently. Those little quiet times when it could "talk", resulted in what I call an "un-authorized" downloading of Windows 10. When I opened the laptop the other day to once again begin using it for school work, it was "updating", then re-booting, then "updating" again, then re-booting again. I just left it alone to do its thing. Well, imagine my wonderment when I opened it several hours later, and I see the light shining through the window on the right side of the screen...

It wanted to "authorize" itself, of course, and verify my license for the old Win81 install that ~had~ been on the computer. Now, imagine for a moment - this is my sons old computer. I created an account on it to use it. Windows 8 requires a Windows Live Log-on, so I used mine from back when (Vista??), which is the same thing from my Win10 RC days... When Win10 goes to "authorize", it wants the original log-in for the computer. Guess what the Win10 install completely wiped-out? Three guesses, but the first two don't count... OK, let's "Roll-back" the machine to Win8.1... guess what? There isn't a "save" of that...

Then there's the "Live Chat" session that I'll not get into here (yet)... We did finally remember the original Windows 8 log-in my son used years ago, and we did get Win10 "authorized", but... I did NOT want it to begin with... But I got an email the other day, telling me about how great my Windows experience has been...