Mexico is screwed

[Catfish]

I said it before and i said it again:
Get a grip on drug consumption in the USA with whatever means, only then Mexico will have a chance to get rid of the cartels.
Read Don Winslowe, and you might at least get a glimpse on what is going on in the USA, and in Mexico.

[Rockstar]

Get off your your high horse. You're being naive to think drug use in the U.S. is solely responsible for Mexico's mess. Tell ya what why doesn't Europe set the example for once show us how it's done. Instead of blaming the U.S. for all the worlds ills.

Latin America is a crucial geographic zone for drug production and trafficking. The Andean countries of Colombia, Peru and Bolivia are the world’s main cocaine producers, while Central America, Mexico and the Caribbean have become the principal corridors for transporting drugs into the United States and Europe.

With Germany's drug use also comes other things contributing to Mexico.

http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-compli...iny/a-18390756

Got any ideas?

[Catfish]

Who do you think exports the drugs? What has the CIA to do with drug traficking? Why does the DEA have such problems? From where do the cartels get the money to buy their weapons, and all this infrastructure? Why do so many people flee, from Mexico? Of course there's the Mafia, the N'drangeta and whatnot who have a hand in distributing the stuff , also to Europe, but they all get the stuff via the US.
The focus has to be on the demand side of the equation. It means focusing on drug treatment and addiction north of the Rio Grande, and the distribution from there.

Regarding getting a grip on the situation from a european viewpoint? Offering legal drugs cost-free to real addicts and helping them to get out, look at Norway, Sweden, Denmark or Germany. Still enough idiots who want drugs because it is soo cool, but compared to Mexico?
You see 16-year olds drive around in fat SUVs and spending a thousand dollars per day, so your chance to get money is to join the club, and it is so easy.
On the other hand you are a good law-abiding politician who wants to ban drugs and arrest drug dealers? You're dead.

Or, maybe you find 10,000 Dollars in your mail box, without any info, every week. You do not even know to whom you can give the money back, and that is the trick. After some weeks there will be some small demands, and either you obey, or they kill your wife, your kids, and you. And maybe your neighbours, just to make sure. “What good is an atrocity if no one knows you did it?”

And now i climb my high horse: All Mexicans are baaad. Build wall and make America great again, all problems solved. Only that this is not my high horse.

It is not meant as harsh as it sounds, but if anyone is interested in the background of drug trafficking, read Winslowe's "Days of the dead", it will really open your eyes.
edit sorry, the english title of the first book is "The power of the dog", the second "The Cartel".

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I said it before and i said it again:
Get a grip on drug consumption in the USA with whatever means, only then Mexico will have a chance to get rid of the cartels.
Read Don Winslowe, and you might at least get a glimpse on what is going on in the USA, and in Mexico.

I agree 100%. The drug users in America are in large part to blame. If it was up to me, I would go full Duarte on drug dealers and users. But we are going farther in the wrong direction, with "treatment" being the big buzzword (my tax dollars being the fuel for that waste) and lighter prison sentences for "Non-violent" drug offenders.

Originally Posted by Catfish

Because Trump says it is, and all chime in. You know someone must be the scapegoat, for all you do not like in life. And if it did not disturb you before Trump said it, you now have his opinion. It's magic!

No, not at all. Trump is merely mirroring what many of us have been saying for years. We are being invaded by people from other countries. By the millions. It's time to decide if we want to turn over our democracy to "fureigners" who can't rub two sticks together in their homeland, or retain our right as a soverign nation to limit immigration to legal and approved levels. Approved by us, the voters.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

We are being invaded by people from other countries. By the millions. It's time to decide if we want to turn over our democracy to "fureigners" who can't rub two sticks together in their homeland, or retain our right as a soverign nation to limit immigration to legal and approved levels. Approved by us, the voters.

The title of this thread is very accurate, unfortunately. Mexico may be on its way to being the next Venezuela.

If the polls are right, Mexico will elect Andrés Manuel López Obrador president on Sunday, July 1.....

Should he ascend to the presidency as predicted, his radical ideas will spell trouble for both Mexico and the U.S. for several reasons.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/29/...tial-election/

Although López Obrador tries to cast himself as a moderate, many of his critics see similarities between him and Hugo Chavez.

Like Chavez, López Obrador is charismatic and promises to bring a “radical revolution” to Mexico. True to his left wing beliefs, his economic plan is all about taxing and spending. He calls for universal access to public colleges, raising the minimum wage and increasing spending for welfare.

The Economist warns Mexicans that “the charismatic leaders who ride these resentments to power are almost always false prophets.” When a false prophet leads a country, both citizens in that country as well as their neighbors across the borders will suffer. Exhibit A is Venezuela. This is why the U.S. should care about the Mexican election — there’s an excellent chance that Exhibit B ends up on our southern border.

I hope you Yanks realize, despite our idiot boy-king, that Canada is still your best neighbor.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

[...] No, not at all. Trump is merely mirroring what many of us have been saying for years. We are being invaded by people from other countries. By the millions. It's time to decide if we want to turn over our democracy to "fureigners" who can't rub two sticks together in their homeland, or retain our right as a soverign nation to limit immigration to legal and approved levels. Approved by us, the voters.

By you, the voters. I'd say your population is about 50:50 divided about that. And What is that thing with "sovereign nation" all the time? Isn't the USA a sovereign nation? Why does Trump always uses the words "illegal", "criminal" and degoratory terms before the word "foreigner"?
"We have said this for years", oh i am sure. You would have protested, but you did not dare, or it was going to rain. And now that some !"&/$%&/!!! like Trump is leader, they all come out of their holes and can spout their "opinion" they had all the time.
The scary thing is that you seem to be right, the US have been like that all along, and it just took some Trump to let it all out now. Radicalizing and polarizing with a good load of populism seems to be the shinizzle all over the world now, to win elections.

We are being invaded by people from other countries. By the millions.

The USA consists of 'invaders', yes, sans some indians.
Sorry, i like you, and most Americans on a personal level, but when it comes to politics.. NEVER!

[Reece]

What I love about America is their "Bill of Rights" much better than anything Australia has (none)!!

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Catfish

By you, the voters. I'd say your population is about 50:50 divided about that. And What is that thing with "sovereign nation" all the time? Isn't the USA a sovereign nation? Why does Trump always uses the words "illegal", "criminal" and degoratory terms before the word "foreigner"?
"We have said this for years", oh i am sure. You would have protested, but you did not dare, or it was going to rain. And now that some !"&/$%&/!!! like Trump is leader, they all come out of their holes and can spout their "opinion" they had all the time.
The scary thing is that you seem to be right, the US have been like that all along, and it just took some Trump to let it all out now. Radicalizing and polarizing with a good load of populism seems to be the shinizzle all over the world now, to win elections.

The USA consists of 'invaders', yes, sans some indians.
Sorry, i like you, and most Americans on a personal level, but when it comes to politics.. NEVER!

Why is it derogatory to call a criminal a criminal or to call an illegal immigrant and illegal immigrant? In my opinion the terms are factually descriptive. Please dont allow the media to confuse you or the issue. An immigrant lawfully crossing a boarder seeking asylum, applying for a visa, permanent residency or citizenship is not an illegal immigrant or a criminal.

Its the illegal immigrant the ones who attempt to unlawfully circumvent the lawful process of entry into this country that we want to catch. As opposed to the just over 37,000,000 LEGAL immigrants of all nationalities already in this country.


The criminals that Trump spoke about are ACTUAL criminals the hot topic these days seems to be MS13. It appears to me y'all in Germany are about day late and a dollar short. Because its already been at least 4 weeks ago that one political party tried to push the same argument that Trump was calling all immigrants criminals, he wasn't and the media dropped it pretty quick because it had no merit. I think it was initially spun by Nancy Pelosi.

[XenonSurf]

Maybe it's because of the Russian rap song


OOOppps, sorry: I thought the title was refering to the Football championship...

[August]

To get to the US border these illegal aliens had to pass 4-5 US consulates (not counting those on the Mexican side of the border) where they could have made applications for asylum (not to mention those in their country of origin). They bypassed them all so they could sneak across the border and use their kid (or at least somebodies kid) as a get out of jail free card.


If Germany wants to open their borders that is their business but don't be telling us we're wrong for not wanting to commit that particular method of national suicide.

[Sean C]

Perhaps something is being lost in translation here, but I will try and answer your questions and clear up some of the confusion.

Originally Posted by Catfish

What is that thing with "sovereign nation" all the time? Isn't the USA a sovereign nation?

Yes, it is. That is the point. We would like to keep our existing right to decide who can and cannot enter into this country, as any sovereign nation can. And by "we", I mean "we, the people", since that is the foundation of the U.S. form of government. However, it seems there is a push to shame the people of the U.S. into giving up that right and to let any and everyone in, regardless of their potential.

Originally Posted by Catfish

Why does Trump always uses the words "illegal", "criminal" and degoratory terms before the word "foreigner"?

Because those are the people we want to keep out. If someone goes through the legal process of becoming a citizen there are background checks and other systems designed to ensure that that person is not a criminal, and will instead be a productive member of society. I think you would find there are very few people in the U.S. who are opposed to that scenario. On the other hand, turning a blind eye to illegal immigration gives us no way to filter out the thieves, rapists and murderers who also want to enter this country. Just to be clear: there are many good people who enter the U.S., legally and illegally, all the time. We just want to make sure that they are the only ones who get in.

Originally Posted by Catfish

"We have said this for years", oh i am sure. You would have protested, but you did not dare, or it was going to rain. And now that some !"&/$%&/!!! like Trump is leader, they all come out of their holes and can spout their "opinion" they had all the time.
The scary thing is that you seem to be right, the US have been like that all along, and it just took some Trump to let it all out now. Radicalizing and polarizing with a good load of populism seems to be the shinizzle all over the world now, to win elections.

Actually, President Obama put many policies in place to stop illegal and dangerous immigrants from entering the U.S. But, the media liked him, so it wasn't a bad thing. Seriously. Look it up. The only reason this is a big deal now and people outside the U.S. are hearing so much about it is because Trump said it too. And the media hates Trump.


https://www.c-span.org/video/?c46563...al-immigration

Originally Posted by Catfish

The USA consists of 'invaders', yes, sans some indians.
Sorry, i like you, and most Americans on a personal level, but when it comes to politics.. NEVER!

Neither Neal, myself or any American you may talk to today has stolen land from the Native Americans. That happened a long time ago. Does that make it right? Certainly the answer is no. Is there anything we can do to change what happened? The answer to that is also no. There are many people alive on Earth today who are descended from people who did bad things. But do we blame them for the crimes of their fathers?



But the fact remains that we live here now, and we would like to protect the millions of innocent people within our borders and our country itself. If you think that is wrong ... well, so be it. We will have to agree to disagree.