Starbucks to Close 8,000 U.S. Stores for Racial-Bias Training After Arrests

[Skybird]

In every bar or restaurant I ever sat in, more or less politely you will get asked sooner or later to order something. Its their business model. A restaurant is no bank in a public park

So much of activism over claimed race offences, claimed religion offences, claimed gender offences, claimed feminist offences etc etc are nothing but blown up demonstrations of ruthless egoism with a leftist political lobby.

I already have a problem with that a shop or bar owner cannot freely decide with whom he wishes to engage in transaction, and with whom not. I mean if a KKK-fan denies to accept black people in his shop, so let him have his way today. His choice will be perceived, and will make some audience avoiding him, and another audience going to him. Fine, the consequences of his KKK-attitude this way will find him. That he gets forced to accept just everyone, is not acceptable to me. Only lpublic offices and services, and state services, the law , police and such, have to accept treating everybody equally and non-discriminatory. But private people and private business owners...? Unacceptable.

Imagine me running a small fast food stand, for example. I would not deal quite some people: salafists, neo-nazis as two exmaples. But the state over here can force me to serve these miserable beings nevertheless? It is not my decision whether or not I do enagge in a business transaction wuith them? They are my masters, de facto? Or I own a hotel, and cannot feely refuse to lease my hall to a meeting of some wackos I do not wish to be of service to, I need to arrange fine.tune dlies that allow me to weasel around their request without them suing me for not doing business with them?

Sorry: totally unacceptable. Zero understanding for this from me.

And when there is indeed a racist, just forcing him by law will not make him less a racist. Only will make him even more extreme and bitter.

My house - my rules. Where this is not possible, I would refuse to establish a business. I do not like getting owned by just any stranger or political party.

[Skybird]

BTW, lets not make it appear as if it were a loss that Starbuck doe snto open. I was there once, both times invited. The brew I got, was terrible, and overpriced. Never again.

We have the "Roestbar" here in Münster. Their self-roasted mixtures get awards and prizes year in, year out. I'm a lucky guy that I have so easy access to them, living here. And they offer a 100% Robusta Espresso, just what I look for. Its awesome. They are of national fame by now.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Skybird

BTW, lets not make it appear as if it were a loss that Starbuck doe snto open. I was there once, both times invited. The brew I got, was terrible, and overpriced. Never again.

We have the "Roestbar" here in Münster. Their self-roasted mixtures get awards and prizes year in, year out. I'm a lucky guy that I have so easy access to them, living here. And they offer a 100% Robusta Espresso, just what I look for. Its awesome. They are of national fame by now.

couldnt agree more. Until i am convinced otherwise, the best cup of coffee in the State of Texas is brewed right here in my own kitchen every morning between the hours of 6am and 9am 7 days a week. and it is served in my Black Rifle Coffee Company "Coffee or Die" mug, or it is served in my National World War II Museum "My Gal Sal" B-17 bomber mug.

Originally Posted by Skybird

I already have a problem with that a shop or bar owner cannot freely decide with whom he wishes to engage in transaction, and with whom not. I mean if a KKK-fan denies to accept black people in his shop, so let him have his way today. His choice will be perceived, and will make some audience avoiding him, and another audience going to him. Fine, the consequences of his KKK-attitude this way will find him. That he gets forced to accept just everyone, is not acceptable to me. Only lpublic offices and services, and state services, the law , police and such, have to accept treating everybody equally and non-discriminatory. But private people and private business owners...? Unacceptable.

Again, in agreement. natural selection. If the man is a dedicated grade A horse's ass, sooner or later he will be weeded out.

Currently, there really is very little systemic racism in the United States. Is there racism? yes sure there is. And it is my fear that there will be racism as long as there are human beings on this planet. and for the record, that racism exists in both directions where blacks and whites are concerned. If you could only see the Jeers and horrifyingly hateful looks i have personally seen being the only "White boy" in a black neighborhood. (i know i was such because i was informed so)

but is there a systemic plot formulated by sweeping masses of non-blacks to "keep the black man down"?

i have seen no evidence of it in my personal sphere of existence (which as most of you are aware tends to be a pretty large sphere). I've never in my adult life, witnessed personally any black person treated poorly strictly on the basis that they were black. I do business with black owned businesses just as much as i do white owned businesses and know many people who do. Private clubs i am a member of are just as welcoming and happy to greet blacks as they are whites or hispanics or asians. Every day i see people of every race and creed smiling politely at one another with a friendly "good afternoon" and holding the door for one another without apparently giving it a second's thought as to whether or not they are holding the door for someone who is another race.

yet we do have cases like Rodney King and his violent beating in Los Angeles which i vehemently denounce as racially motivated and wrong. and cases like the Michael Brown shooting with which i strongly agree and view as justified. If i were a racist... wouldnt i agree with either case? I mean... i couldnt have it both ways, right?

Politically speaking i know a LOT of white folks who, by some group or another have been labeled "racist" because of their open disagreement with Barrack Obama and his policies. Yet these same accused racists openly supported and praised the mention of any office run of men like Allen West. If they were the evil bigots they were accused of being... how could they be against one black politician, yet for another? its nonsensical

my theory on the African American movements sweeping the young black community in the United States these days is simple; It is media driven, it is mas hysteria driven, and it is born from a generation of Blacks youths who both perpetuate their own stereotypes and were the first generation to not face any real hardships because of their race alone. So what does a rebel without a cause do?

he finds a cause... and if he cannot find one, he makes one up

the trouble young protesting blacks in America will eventually find, is that if you proclaim "Racism!!!" often enough, (and lets face it, there is something in the news about a black man getting arrested, shot, or brutalized by police in the American Liberal Media every other hour it seems) the proclamations of racism gets taken less and less seriously by everyone else around you.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

my theory on the African American movements sweeping the young black community in the United States these days is simple; It is media driven, it is mas hysteria driven, and it is born from a generation of Blacks youths who both perpetuate their own stereotypes and were the first generation to not face any real hardships because of their race alone. So what does a rebel without a cause do?

he finds a cause... and if he cannot find one, he makes one up

I think that what you say is true but there is another factor and it is common among all the 'identity groups' angling for public attention. There is a culture of victim hood which poisons any approach to justice. People increasingly demand help from others, and advertise their oppression as evidence that they deserve respect and assistance. It is an easy step then to brand any 'oppressors' as racist, homophobic etc.

The funny thing about this case is that Starbucks is one of the most liberal corporations in America. They are on the 'progressive' side of almost every issue from the environment to fair trade. Requiring all of their staff to have racial-bias training is a bit much. My guess is that they are far more concerned about losing business than they are about changing the minds of a few racists that might work for them.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by u crank

The funny thing about this case is that Starbucks is one of the most liberal corporations in America. They are on the 'progressive' side of almost every issue from the environment to fair trade.

Thus making this event almost enjoyable.

[Eichhörnchen]

Yes, the irony can indeed be fun when the race card is turned in the faces of those seeking to lecture the rest of us