Expelled student armed with assault rifle slaughters 17 at Florida high school

[mapuc]

I have read and heard several companies in the States have cut their support to NRA and the protesters is growing among the youngsters

If my memory doesn't play tricks with me I seem to remember the same thing happened last time the were this mass shooting(Las Vegas)

Lots of protest and angry voices towards NRA.

As last time- After a couple of month NRA was back on track with companies supporting them.

Markus

[Catfish]

Nothing changes.

[Rockstar]

Nope, it appear things never change. Never a solution, no wisdom, divert the attention and play on the fears of the ignorant, turning tragedy into a political power grab.


People need a boogie man and even though in my opinion they had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting the NRA happens to be it.


As an owner of several firearms and not belonging to any political party or 'gun club'. I have absolutely no problem making behavioral and prescription records available to authorities when purchasing a fire arm. But the problem with that is you then make the government fully responsible for any mass shooting thereafter because they (the government) OK'd the applicants purchase.

[Catfish]

This is the usual twisted right-wing "logic", designed to divert from the real issue, desinformation and dumb. Call scientific methods "politically inspired", and all gun critics "snowflakes".
Proposing to arm teachers as a 'solution'?
You have no idea how this all looks, from here.

[vienna]

Oh, he does; he's just desperately hoping no one else does...











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[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Catfish

This is the usual twisted right-wing "logic", designed to divert from the real issue, desinformation and dumb. Call scientific methods "politically inspired", and all gun critics "snowflakes".
Proposing to arm teachers as a 'solution'?
You have no idea how this all looks, from here.

I said nothing of snowflakes, YOU DID. I said nothing of Right wing or left wing politics, YOU DID.

What I said was nothing ever changes in fact you just proved my feking point. Whether its you turning tragedy it into some political farce about us and them. Or someone making a call to arm teachers. There is never any wisdom, or solutions. Nothing ever changes. This will soon be forgotten and one day it will happen again like a bad dream because nothing ever changes. No wisdom, no solutions just political drama and power grabs, a boogie man, and media circus.


And frankly I don't give a ratzarse what it looks like to you. That's not the problem.

[Skybird]

Meine Fresse.

Just to make sure everybody understood what the article indeed has said:

KKK and NRA

The founding of the NRA in 1871 is closely linked to the end of the Civil War in 1865. For the first time, blacks also got access to weapons - and promptly there were first efforts to restrict this again. It was about "taking away the ability of the blacks to defend themselves," later NRA President David Keene said in retrospect. It was not by chance that the NRA formed at the same time as America's first Ku Klux Klan movement was under pressure to re-invent itself as "rifle groups."


Later, as the US civil rights movement began to dismantle the white power in the 1950s and 1960s, the NRA transformed itself from a rather harmless sports hunter and gun control organization to a radical lobby in the arms industry with one goal: more weapons but preferably only for whites. That was well received by the Conservatives in Washington, who were fighting Malcolm X, the Black Panthers, and other black rebels. Weapons control became an ideological dispute between Democrats and Republicans, left and right.

And further:

Indigenous people and slaves

Weapons created America. The US fought for independence from the British crown by force of arms and since then distrust the idea of ​​a powerful central state. Thus, in 1791, the "Second Amendment" came into being, which, of course, tied the ownership of weapons to a "well-regulated militia", a vigilante that could oppose state assaults - a condition that many US gunners today happily ignore.


Also often forgotten: the gun law, already codified separately in many US colonies, served not only to protect against oppression from above, but also to suppress revolts from below. Forcibly, the new Americans first expelled the indigenous peoples - then forcibly consolidate their power and control their slaves.

[Delgard]

The problem with articles is that they have a focus based upon someone's well-intended research and intent. The intent is where the biasness usually becomes noticeable. Good or bad, accurate or not.

One article, is not history represented in a complete way...Definitely not something to only post of the bad.

What is needed are the fixes and their good points and bad points. Someone mentioned physical security and I thought that some schools are rather large with multiple entrances. I school is a place for exposure; sports, arts, academics, even rehabilitation. All running at different times and needing accesses and exits.

Just that one consideration exposes the school and those in it, but what to do...?

[Sean C]

Originally Posted by Skybird

...There is an explanation in history why the authors said that. Civil War. Freeing of Slaves. Firearms in black hands. Whites not wanting that. Dissolving of KKK falling together with founding the NRA. Civil Rights Movement and Anti Vietnam Protest. The fact that school shootings almost always are committed by whites, not blacks.

Um, wat? Are you serious? What on earth has any of this got to do with some lunatic shooting up a school now? Do you really think that's what was going through his mind at the time? Give me a break.

Sure, guns are readily available here, and they're often used to commit crimes. But if you think crimes like this are committed because of the Civil War and the KKK ... well, I'm sorry, but you sound crazy. There are plenty of other, much more plausible reasons for the rise in frequency of this type of crime. We don't need to reach that far.

I suppose next we'll discuss how this was all planned by the Illuminati.

Originally Posted by Skybird

The founding of the NRA in 1871 is closely linked to the end of the Civil War in 1865. For the first time, blacks also got access to weapons - and promptly there were first efforts to restrict this again. It was about "taking away the ability of the blacks to defend themselves," later NRA President David Keene said in retrospect. It was not by chance that the NRA formed at the same time as America's first Ku Klux Klan movement was under pressure to re-invent itself as "rifle groups."

Well, if you take a moment to look at U.S. crime statistics, you'll see that that plan failed miserably. But It's easy to see how what happened in Florida will help turn things around for the NRA and KKK. :|

I mean, really, who the hell takes stuff like this seriously? SMH.

[Dowly]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to start allowing institutions like the CDC to reserach gun violence.