EU signs defence pact

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Skybird

States are de facto bancrupt, they live by a model of delayed filing of insolvency, which makes them all criminal offenders. Debts are astronomic, and the counterfeit system collapses in slow motion. If one argues with what we can afford, all and everything would need to come to an immediate standstill. We are drowning in debts, we cannot afford spending a single Taler on anything.

Depends. Germany's debt per GDP is about 68,0% while France in high end has 96,0% and Estonia in low end has 9,5% (all from 2016).

Originally Posted by Skybird

What we shoukld do instead is, strengthening our military, but focussing it on its purpose: to protect us, our homes, our places. Not to shuttle it around the globe and fight other people's wars for them and missionise other cultures whose warrior mentality is far superior to our weak fighting spirits.

There must be quite big difference between Germany and Finland the. Granted we also have some troops participating on those wars abroad, but atleast the focus of armed forces is still in defence of homeland.

Originally Posted by Skybird

We should also stop selling military items and goods to places outside Europe, Israel, North America, Japan, Australia. Keep our abilities in the family. OUR family, that is. Other palces we do arms deals with, just see our arms ending uop in the wrongnhands, and a good deal of them later gets directed at out soldiers. Our our civilian pedestrians in our own streets.

I agree here. However the "political problem" here would be: if we don't sell to them, then who buys so we can keep the jobs? Answer should be selfevident but apparently it is not. Atleast not in Europe...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Depends. Germany's debt per GDP is about 68,0%

Last time I checked it was approaching 90%, was officially at 86% or so And that is just the explicit debt. The implicit debt - future debts that necessarily result from the design faults and debts you already implemented today - means you have this number at - depending on the way you calculate things - minimum 280%, mor eliekly in the range of 400-700%, and some very critical economists even pished this number up to over 1100%.

Its like with inflation rate. The real value gets hidden and covered under layers and laods of misleading gaphs, handpicked numbers and cleverly designed calculation mhtods that evade unwanted truths.

Its a bomb with burning fuse.

The total Western debt level btw today is much higher than it was before 2007.

There must be quite big difference between Germany and Finland the. Granted we also have some troops participating on those wars abroad, but atleast the focus of armed forces is still in defence of homeland.

I expect the differences in mentality to be very big on these matters. You see, we Germans win by making everbyody loving us . Why would we need to want to defend ourselves then? We are surrounded by the Polish, the danish, the French, the Italians to keep the bad guys away from our borders. Thats why we now want a defense cooperation with these - under German command. We proivde logistics - them do the dirty stuff.

We lived by buying ourselves out of military dirty committments for half a century now. Why give that up now when in the past it has worked so well? LOL