Why can I not dive after an emergency blow?

GeneralGamer · 11-12-17, 10:54 AM

If you hit emergency blow by mistake...( never did that ..yeah right lol) You can maintain depth until it is safe to surface with using your speed and planes.

XenonSurf · 11-12-17, 11:32 AM

In my first campaign I have hit blow tanks by mistake instead of emmergency dive, and I didn't realize it until I was on the surface.
Good thing is there were no spectators in my room

MC_Hamster · 11-19-17, 04:57 AM

Only time I've ever blown ballast was when I was on the verge of being wrecked at the end of a battle. Had managed to take out all the bad guys, but had taken a bunch of damage in the process and then took one final hit from a helo-launched torp that put me over the edge and caused enough flooding that I couldn't get back up before the pressure overwhelmed my pumps and I went to the bottom. Sat there for a while until the Helo bugged out and all was clear, blew my tanks and crossed my fingers. Fortunately it was enough.

As has been pointed out though.. it's an emergency procedure. You should probably expect some discomfort

Bungo_Pete · 11-20-17, 02:00 AM

well it just happened again(driving a jack) in 323 feet of water set 65 @320 feet emergency blow do 180 cannot dive....DEAD!

FIX IT!

MC_Hamster · 11-20-17, 05:55 AM

Fix what? it's not broken.

What exactly are you expecting?

You appear to be under the impression that doing an emergency blow should be some regular operation. As people have said: it's not. It's not just the reverse of a crash dive or something.. this is basically an "abandon ship" kind of move. If you're lucky, it'll give you the chance to make enough field repairs to get you back to base for a full repair, but you shouldn't be doing it unless you're basically acknowledging your patrol is done for.

succerpunch · 11-20-17, 06:47 AM

What must they fix, there is nothing wrong with the game. When you blow ballast you use all your compressed air to blast out the water in your ballast tanks and when your on the surface you need to fill your compressed air tanks with air because they are empty. There is no such thing as fill it up with just enough water to dive because once you let water in and your weight is greater then your displacement you will start to dive but if you compressed air tanks are empty you will continue to dive until you pass crush depth and implode. If you have air in your compressed air tanks then you can once you dive use the air to push some water out so that your weight is equal to your displacement so you can hover but if you don't have any air in your compressed air tanks you will continue to dive because you can't force the water out.

ETR3(SS) · 11-20-17, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bungo_Pete

well it just happened again(driving a jack) in 323 feet of water set 65 @320 feet emergency blow do 180 cannot dive....DEAD!

FIX IT!

Mspot · 11-22-17, 03:22 AM

I must say, Bingo_Pete, these guys are dead on in their responses. For a playable realistic submarine simulation video game, this game strikes a near perfect balance. Nothing is broken. There is no bug nor a glitch. As aggravating as it is to you, what you are requesting, demanding, is the equivalent of a "Wait, wait, I have to reload," when playing a shooter game in which you made a bad tactical error.

I, along with many here, have blown ballast for one reason or another while playing this game -- usually with full rise on the planes and at flank speed. Usually it works. Usually. However, I know it's a gamble as I'm going straight to the top for a time. I also know I made tactically unsound decisions when that happens. Just a game. Learn from your error and move on.

Capt.Hunt · 11-23-17, 01:52 AM

yeah, despite how it always appears in movies, Emergency Blow is not really a good tactic for torpedo evasion, it should leave you vulnerable on the surface.

It should be noted that you can drive yourself back under on the planes, you just can't use the automatic depth controls to do it. Ring flank speed and full down on the planes, you'll sink like a rock.

12-01-17, 07:14 AM

But aren't the dive planes above the water and useless once your surfaced ?

ETR3(SS) · 12-01-17, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ighten

But aren't the dive planes above the water and useless once your surfaced ?

Stern Planes are underwater still.

Capt.Hunt · 12-02-17, 04:00 AM

not so much in normal evolutions, but in emergencies, such as flooding casualties, or if the pumps are damaged it could be useful to quickly burp out some ballast without blowing the tanks completely dry.

I'm trying to think of more specific scenarios, They seem to do it all the time in the military submarine thrillers I read. IDK, maybe this game just isn't in-depth enough for such a tactic to be useful.

shipkiller1 · 12-02-17, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ighten

But aren't the dive planes above the water and useless once your surfaced ?

You control depth primarily with ANGLE. You use the stern planes to set the angle on the ship.

The fairwater planes are used for fine depth control.

Forth flight (BLK4) 688's (751+) do not have fair water planes, neither do SSN-21's or 774 class.

12-02-17, 09:24 AM

Well you learn something every day - Thx

11-12-17, 10:54 AM	#1
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11-20-17, 06:47 AM	#6
succerpunch Torpedoman Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Africa, Cape Town Posts: 114 Downloads: 292 Uploads: 0	What must they fix, there is nothing wrong with the game. When you blow ballast you use all your compressed air to blast out the water in your ballast tanks and when your on the surface you need to fill your compressed air tanks with air because they are empty. There is no such thing as fill it up with just enough water to dive because once you let water in and your weight is greater then your displacement you will start to dive but if you compressed air tanks are empty you will continue to dive until you pass crush depth and implode. If you have air in your compressed air tanks then you can once you dive use the air to push some water out so that your weight is equal to your displacement so you can hover but if you don't have any air in your compressed air tanks you will continue to dive because you can't force the water out. __________________ No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong. - Albert Einstein

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11-12-17, 11:32 AM	#2
XenonSurf Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Germany, Italy Posts: 1,721 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 4	In my first campaign I have hit blow tanks by mistake instead of emmergency dive, and I didn't realize it until I was on the surface. Good thing is there were no spectators in my room

11-19-17, 04:57 AM	#3
MC_Hamster Swabbie Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 7 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Only time I've ever blown ballast was when I was on the verge of being wrecked at the end of a battle. Had managed to take out all the bad guys, but had taken a bunch of damage in the process and then took one final hit from a helo-launched torp that put me over the edge and caused enough flooding that I couldn't get back up before the pressure overwhelmed my pumps and I went to the bottom. Sat there for a while until the Helo bugged out and all was clear, blew my tanks and crossed my fingers. Fortunately it was enough. As has been pointed out though.. it's an emergency procedure. You should probably expect some discomfort

11-20-17, 02:00 AM	#4
Bungo_Pete Medic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Santa Barbara,calif Posts: 159 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	well it just happened again(driving a jack) in 323 feet of water set 65 @320 feet emergency blow do 180 cannot dive....DEAD! FIX IT!

11-20-17, 05:55 AM	#5
MC_Hamster Swabbie Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 7 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Fix what? it's not broken. What exactly are you expecting? You appear to be under the impression that doing an emergency blow should be some regular operation. As people have said: it's not. It's not just the reverse of a crash dive or something.. this is basically an "abandon ship" kind of move. If you're lucky, it'll give you the chance to make enough field repairs to get you back to base for a full repair, but you shouldn't be doing it unless you're basically acknowledging your patrol is done for.

11-22-17, 03:22 AM	#8
Mspot Bosun Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: United States Posts: 62 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	I must say, Bingo_Pete, these guys are dead on in their responses. For a playable realistic submarine simulation video game, this game strikes a near perfect balance. Nothing is broken. There is no bug nor a glitch. As aggravating as it is to you, what you are requesting, demanding, is the equivalent of a "Wait, wait, I have to reload," when playing a shooter game in which you made a bad tactical error. I, along with many here, have blown ballast for one reason or another while playing this game -- usually with full rise on the planes and at flank speed. Usually it works. Usually. However, I know it's a gamble as I'm going straight to the top for a time. I also know I made tactically unsound decisions when that happens. Just a game. Learn from your error and move on.

11-23-17, 01:52 AM	#9
Capt.Hunt Loader Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 90 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	yeah, despite how it always appears in movies, Emergency Blow is not really a good tactic for torpedo evasion, it should leave you vulnerable on the surface. It should be noted that you can drive yourself back under on the planes, you just can't use the automatic depth controls to do it. Ring flank speed and full down on the planes, you'll sink like a rock.

12-01-17, 07:14 AM	#10
Ighten Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	But aren't the dive planes above the water and useless once your surfaced ?

12-02-17, 04:00 AM	#12
Capt.Hunt Loader Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 90 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	not so much in normal evolutions, but in emergencies, such as flooding casualties, or if the pumps are damaged it could be useful to quickly burp out some ballast without blowing the tanks completely dry. I'm trying to think of more specific scenarios, They seem to do it all the time in the military submarine thrillers I read. IDK, maybe this game just isn't in-depth enough for such a tactic to be useful.

12-02-17, 09:24 AM	#14
Ighten Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Well you learn something every day - Thx