UC3 Nautilus sunk - Peter Madsen charged with murder of journalist Kim Wall

[Von Due]

The title was changed as events unfolded. The original topic title did not mention murder as there was no indication of it at that time. This whole issue is a non-issue and unnecessary.

[Onkel Neal]

Easy there. I changed thread title several days after the thread was started.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Easy there. I changed thread title several days after the thread was started.

And to be sure, the charge of murder came before any of the basis for the charge was out in the open. Europeans are closer to the vest with information than we are in the US. Often it keeps the innocent from being convicted. Many times it results in the conviction of someone who would be found not guilty in the US.

We've seen the injustice that can happen when cases are tried in the press, which has no stock in the truth, only sales means anything to them.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Von Due

The title was changed as events unfolded. The original topic title did not mention murder as there was no indication of it at that time. This whole issue is a non-issue and unnecessary.

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Easy there. I changed thread title several days after the thread was started.

I think this illustrates the risks of changing posts after people have read them. Perhaps if this is done there should be some explanatory text added to the post to make it clear that the post has changed.

I think there is a presumption that posts remain unchanged unless otherwise notified.

[Dowly]

IMHO, if the title is changed afterwards, it would be a good idea to add some text to the first post to explains this for example:

EDIT: Title edited by Onkel Neal on [insert date] or [because reason x]

Though, honestly I think biosthetique simply did not read enough of the thread.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Dowly

IMHO, if the title is changed afterwards, it would be a good idea to add some text to the first post to explains this for example:

EDIT: Title edited by Onkel Neal on [insert date] or [because reason x]

Though, honestly I think biosthetique simply did not read enough of the thread.

I will add that to the moderator procedure, good suggestion.

[CaptBlanc]

From what I read, and using judicious applications of Occam's Razor, I'd say that Madsen was acting from desperation.

Kim Wall gets hit on the head with the unsecured hatch. Pressure hatches are heavy. It cracks her skull and knocks her out and she falls down the ladder. Anyone who knows subs can tell you that a fall down a ladder can easily be lethal.

Madsen realises she's dead, and realises that he's facing a life-wrecking safety lawsuit. His boat, and his other upcoming projects, plus his finacial future and reputation are endangered.

(In the U.S., for example, he can be sued for the entirety of her projected professional earnings calculated from now till the estimated end of her natural working life. This can sometimes run into millions for some folks.)

He panicks. He decides to get rid of the evidence and makes up a hasty "Dropped her off at the dock." story.

Madsen attempts to dispose of Walls body, and scuttles the boat, assuming that no body nor other evidence will survive the sea. He's terribly wrong. He probably intended to have the boat recovered himself, so he scuttles her in shallow waters hoping the "bath" will clean it. He's caught flat when the authorities recover the boat first thing as a matter of procedure. Then the body washes up, too.

He's probably not a experienced killer. Just a man obsessed with his projects and in fear of his future. Faced with experienced police interrogators, he starts to come clean(ish). His inconsistant accounts of events indicate a man who's more interested in minimising any damage to himself than a bloke who want's to be truthful.

I'll be interested to see how this all plays out. It's one screwed-up tragic mess, for sure, either way.

[poakung]

This is so terrible sad for everbody involved

[biosthetique]

Originally Posted by Von Due

The title was changed as events unfolded. The original topic title did not mention murder as there was no indication of it at that time. This whole issue is a non-issue and unnecessary.

I think that when a journalist is killed it is an issue, as it is unnecessary to kill journalist.

Now if the title was updated as events unfolded how come it did not read "Nautilus sunk and raised". In the title it just says "SUNK".

This whole issue is an issue and necessary to remind us the value of journalism and in any country of the world.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by biosthetique

Now if the title was updated as events unfolded how come it did not read "Nautilus sunk and raised". In the title it just says "SUNK".

So, you based a whole argument against Oberon on the title of the thread, and when told the title had been changed, rather than apologize you complain that it wasn't changed the way you would have done it. What was the point of the tirade against another member in the first place?

It looks to me like you were wrong and just don't want to admit it.

[Onkel Neal]

Yes. No one is dismissing the tragedy or excusing Madsen. Oberon posted his comments before there was any info about the journalist. I changed the thread title. Your appropriate response should be, "Oh, I understand now".

[biosthetique]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Yes. No one is dismissing the tragedy or excusing Madsen. Oberon posted his comments before there was any info about the journalist. I changed the thread title. Your appropriate response should be, "Oh, I understand now".

Your thread was made at 10:58am and I made mine at 11:02am. When I started my post I did not see yours as you asked to go easy. But since it does not seem to make any difference...

Oh I understand now how changing the title of a thread without mentioning it has been modified and updated can create confusion, because if it had not been changed I would not have posted in the first place. If someone should apologize to Oberon it should not be me, because I am not the one that put him in such difficult situation where he was made to appear as someone supporting someone charged with murder!....
So, yes, I understand now, but do you understand now what it creates when thread tittles are changed after the fact?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by biosthetique

If someone should apologize to Oberon it should not be me, because I am not the one that put him in such difficult situation where he was made to appear as someone supporting someone charged with murder!....

Let's see... When you first posted the thread was 15 pages long and had more than 200 posts, and yet not one person had a problem with this until you. It looks to me like you read the title and the first post and started on the attack without reading the rest of the thread first.

So, yes, I understand now, but do you understand now what it creates when thread tittles are changed after the fact?

Since you are the only one who had any problem with this, I'd say the problem lies directly with you.

Just my opinion, of course.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by biosthetique

So, yes, I understand now, but do you understand now what it creates when thread tittles are changed after the fact?

I understand perfectly. It creates clarity.

[biosthetique]

Actually that thread was created the 08/11/17. Oberon thread and some others were created the 08/11 and here is an article dating from the 08/11 that explains that Madsen was charged with murder.
http://news.sky.com/story/woman-miss...hagen-10983700

Some of you can make all the fuss you want and use it as a smoke screen, but I understand all too well some people support. That is sickening!

The 08/11 the date of that thread Madsen was charged with Murder!!!!...That is all I have to say!