Would you?

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Hmmm. Sounds very interesting. :hmm: It also sounds unlikely we would have done that in the 70s, tension very high in that area, but he probably has no reason to make it up. Can you ask more from him about the flight path and the area? I have family and friends (some high ranking) that are active or ex Finnish military that i am going to ask about this event. They might even answer, you never know. I know that in the 50s Finns were dropped across the border, mostly contracted by Western intelligence, but im pretty sure its been rarity since. Theres a lot off small private planes flying in Lapland transporting people and goods to remote locations, one could have lost its course, that would be my guess. But same type of planes are also operated by FAF and the Border Guard. How sure is he it got hit? Then we would have a missing plane in the records somewhere.

Could it have been a Finnish Il-28R? I know they bought some from the USSR and used them for spying but I don't think any were reported shot down. :hmm:

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Where does the incident take place? What nations are close?
What are my ships capabilities?
What are the hostile ships capabilities?
How is the naval battle going so far?
How is the enemy ship behaving so far?
What is the ROE?
What report do I have on friendly forces in the region?
What hostile nations are reported to operate the F14? What is their weaponry?
Is there reason to assume that the plane may carry nuclear weapons?
Is there reason to assume that it's pilot may be a kamikaze?
Is there radio contact to the F14? If so, what does the pilot say?
What has been the flight profile like, as far as radar has logged it?
What experience do I have had in the hours or days before in the operational theatre?
And, very important:
Does my own nation still operate F14s?

And maybe some other questions that I just cannot imagine.

Decisive, ain't he?

[bradclark1]

If in doubt, kill.
Better you than them. You have the recorded contact as a F-14 to back you up.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Decisive, ain't he?

What's wrong with this needed information? Only a triggerhappy would shoot around without having this info together. Remember, this is ionfo that must not be asked in the situation, but would have been clear from the beginning (a captain not knowing where he is, what his enemy is, and who cannot understand what radar guy is telling him on flight profile is an idiot - he also better is aware of the ROE, and has receivbed info and intel updates on the possible threats in the theatre where is currently is.).

As I see it, my dec ision to shoot the F14 down would be made within seconds, since most of these questions already would be answered when the Tomcat pops up on the scene. My questions where not so much realistic in that situation, but a demand to Kapitan to specify the situation more exactly.

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by tycho102

I would launch the alert-5 spellchecker, the alert-15 grammar re-structurer, the alert-30 Russian-to-English interpreter, and let them sort it out together.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Could it have been a Finnish Il-28R? I know they bought some from the USSR and used them for spying but I don't think any were reported shot down. :hmm:

I doubt they would have crossed the border. I think only option is the small civilian plane or one that atleast looks like one. But i started to wonder that it could also be possible for the Norwegians to fly through Finland and in to Russia. If this happened up north near Kola peninsula. :hmm:

[mapuc]

When I red this thread, the first thing that came to my mind, was the incident with the iranian airplane that was shot down.

I can't remember the year/month/day

I can't remember what type of vessel it was, only that it was an american.

I can't remember what type of airplane it was

Markus

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

I doubt they would have crossed the border. I think only option is the small civilian plane or one that atleast looks like one. But i started to wonder that it could also be possible for the Norwegians to fly through Finland and in to Russia. If this happened up north near Kola peninsula. :hmm:

From: http://www.vectorsite.net/avil28.html

Finland also obtained five Il-28Rs and one Il-28 in the 1960s, with three of these converted to target tugs. Ironically, the Finns used their Il-28Rs to spy on the neighboring "Bear" to the east, skirting the border and then drifting over when the coast seemed clear to inspect any suspicious activity on the eastern side of the fence. The local Soviet air defense command found the Finnish Beagles a persistent nuisance but never managed to shoot one down. It is interesting to wonder if the Soviets ever thought when they sold the Il-28Rs to Finland who besides the USSR the Finns felt they really needed to keep an eye on.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

From: http://www.vectorsite.net/avil28.html

If this is true, anythings possible. Didnt know they were allowed to do these types of flights. For sure the politicians wouldnt of OKd these flights, they were too scared at the time :hmm: Have to find about this too..

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by mapuc

When I red this thread, the first thing that came to my mind, was the incident with the iranian airplane that was shot down.

I can't remember the year/month/day

I can't remember what type of vessel it was, only that it was an american.

I can't remember what type of airplane it was

Markus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

[Konovalov]

I'd ask Kapitan for more info onthe situation. If I die whilst waiting for his reply then I made a bad call.

[Kapitan]

Kapitan: Sir its an aeroplane

Konavolov: Yes but wheres it from

Kapitan: well its in the sky sir

Konavalov my effing god this will not do

Voice: shes lost abandon ship

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

Kapitan: Sir its an aeroplane

Konavolov: Yes but wheres it from

Kapitan: well its in the sky sir

Konavalov my effing god this will not do

Voice: shes lost abandon ship

Kapitan: Recommend ramming speed, sir!

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

Your in command of an american warship your already coming under attack by enamy ships not a big threat, when you detect an aircraft sqwarking a millatery code your intel tells you its an F14.

Just before you make your choice you hear "Altitude declining" and "captain should we engauge?"

What do you do?

What would i do?

General Quaters!All hands man you're Battle Station!

Nuke the Aircraft!

Thats what i would do!

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by The Noob

What would i do?

General Quaters!All hands man you're Battle Station!

Nuke the Aircraft!

Thats what i would do!

"Errr...sir, perhaps we should have used the nuke at a slightly longer range."