A new/old Look for PT-109

[yubba]

Went on single mission head to the Luzon Straits on unlimited fuel,, set speed at 15knots was harassed by a Betty Bomber AA dispatched the pest,, came across a small Task Force the twin 40 dispatched 3 destroyers then the phone rang the end . I'm torn whether or not to put the single 40 back on for historical and realism value.,. seems those tin cans are too thin skinned.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by yubba

Went on single mission head to the Luzon Straits on unlimited fuel,, set speed at 15knots was harassed by a Betty Bomber AA dispatched the pest,, came across a small Task Force the twin 40 dispatched 3 destroyers then the phone rang the end . I'm torn whether or not to put the single 40 back on for historical and realism value.,. seems those tin cans are too thin skinned.

Well the 40 on the bow should come around in mid 43, thats about time started mounting big guns such as 40 and 37 MM on the bow, its definitely needed for mid to late phase of the war. Stern single 40 late in 43 . 20's and 50 cals just wont cut it in the campaign im working on. busting barges and small coastal types.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by yubba

..,PM me here Bubbles with your E-mail ,I'll send the whole boat over, I haven't ran it on any missions to check for bugs I haven't seen aa work yet ,, and now the 50 is on board I can't get to the 40 in the back,,. Ps if I would check my e-mail your address should be there. I'll see if I can get more crew to show.

Looks great. Yes with the .50 mounted where light used to be, it seems to change it where can man the 50 but not the stern 40.Something with the node being an light node "L" but having a gun mounted there.I'd liek to make it a M node, crew manned station to shoot at other ships.

[s7rikeback]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Looks great. Yes with the .50 mounted where light used to be, it seems to change it where can man the 50 but not the stern 40.Something with the node being an light node "L" but having a gun mounted there.I'd liek to make it a M node, crew manned station to shoot at other ships.

If you need any help with the guns, I'm more than happy to lend a hand.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by s7rikeback

If you need any help with the guns, I'm more than happy to lend a hand.

phlax ,, where the tubs were ,,,I'm stumped can't get them to show. More the merrier

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by s7rikeback

If you need any help with the guns, I'm more than happy to lend a hand.

Thanks. I'll PM you.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Thanks. I'll PM you.

Thought you fell over board ,, with out those safety tubs,,

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by yubba

Thought you fell over board ,, with out those safety tubs,,

haha no just had a busy weekend and a busy monday at the office. Actually had to do some work lol.

[Bubblehead1980]

Yubba, the new look for the 109 is great, don't miss those tubs lol.

However, can we get the bow 40 back around July 43? Problem is not having a bow mounted heavy gun is a liability by then. Boats starting getting 37 MM (we dont have 37 mm so 40 works) so have heavy hitter up front .

Campaign in solomons at this point involves a lot of barge busting, small craft gun fights 50 cal and 20 mm wont cut it.Right now all have is a 50 cal firing forward. Some reason the port and starboard guns wont fire when you turn them forward or aft? . Need the 40 on the bow. Stern mounted 40 is good to have but tactically an issue I am finding, much as stern mounted deck gun proved on subs at time.

Way campaign traffic is in Solomons Oct 42- March 43, running into targets with torpedoes during the Guadalcanal campaign. 20 MM and 50 cal can handle some of smaller stuff.

Once start operating out of Russell Islands and patrols are taking you around New Georgia area, then after move up to Rendova in July and interdicting barges, etc heavy gun on bow and plenty of ammo are needed.

[yubba]

I had started another DAT file and goofed it up so I scraped it ,, I'm trying to move the bow mount back where it looks a little better,,, the 20s have an arch fire safety so you don't shoot into the crew you could try and edit one of the 20s from A01 to M01 I haven't tried it yet ,,, I have been trying to put the phlax where the tubs were ,, no joy,, how much do you love that 50,, I just solved a lot of work I'll move the 50 center bow and you can change it from 50 to 40 to your liking

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by yubba

I had started another DAT file and goofed it up so I scraped it ,, I'm trying to move the bow mount back where it looks a little better,,, the 20s have an arch fire safety so you don't shoot into the crew you could try and edit one of the 20s from A01 to M01 I haven't tried it yet ,,, I have been trying to put the phlax where the tubs were ,, no joy,, how much do you love that 50,, I just solved a lot of work I'll move the 50 center bow and you can change it from 50 to 40 to your liking

I like the .50 where spotlight used to be. 40mm on bow since dont have, matches some photos of various pt's have seen(well had 37 mm on bow, some had .50 cals in that spot forward for the helm station, to port, behind the 37 mm, others had single 20mm cannon.


Some testing doing in campaign, the interdiction of traffic in the solomons and new guinea in 42 43 44 can get pretty intense, vessels too small for torpedoes so rely on guns. Heavy bow gun, plus machine gun forward, perhaps make the port and starboard guns act as deck guns as well, let the stern gun be for AA. One AA gun is only needed as most ops are at night, since pt boats typically operated at night to avoid aircraft.

Not sure if you saw pics of the forthcoming daihatsu landing craft, but its armed with 37 mm and 25 mm guns.

I was testing against a "convoy" of 20 small vessels strung out in a long line moving via blackett strait to bairoko harbor on new georgia(common destination for these nocturnal supply runs by japanese during new georgia campaign.

Myself and 3 AI Pt boats attcked.

Lot of sampans, junks, fishing boats(armed) some tug boats, will add the daihatsus when released. Escorts were japanese pt boats, small subchasers. Pretty intense gun battle but i was at disadvantage not having a big hitter on the bow, just the 50 cal machine gun. Awkward trying to turn and expose broadsides of boat to get the 40 to fire at surface targets.

Trying to get it worked out for campaign so start out with just .50 cal machine guns in 41, able to upgrade and add guns over time.

[yubba]

hows this for starts,, still got some tweaks to do,,

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by yubba

hows this for starts,, still got some tweaks to do,,

Looks good.

For campaign need it centered on bow forward as was previously, put a .50 where the spotlight is(laer upgrade to 20 mm). Historically, seen photos they mounted 37 mm forward near bow. where spotlight is in game 20 mm (single or twin) or .50 (single or twin).

For campaign purposes I'd liek to have it where the gun layout can be customized a bit like in the sub campaign but typical from November 1943 on would be:

40MM single on bow. Twin .50 in "spotlight" position, twin 20 MM cannons port and starboard...all act was deck guns. Single 40 MM stern, AA gun. If could squeeze one more 50.cal or 20 mm in stern behind stern 40 thatd be great.


Of course if player wanted twin 20's on bow, could do so etc.


July 43 layout would be Single 40mm on bow. 50 cal in spotlight area. twin 20 MM's P/S gun positions. 20 MM AA gun stern.

Still getting a lot worked out.

[yubba]

what's different ??/

[s7rikeback]

Originally Posted by yubba

what's different ??/

Lurve the fireworks...