New construction random choice?

[Sniper297]

Well, the point of this exercise is not about when certain types were actually available, it's about what would be logical. Lt. Peasant has no political connections, starts the war in an S boat. LCDR Prince knows Important People, starts in a Porpoise. LCDR King comes from a wealthy family, starts in a Salmon. So when LT Peasant finishes 3 or 4 successful patrols in an S class, will he get upgraded to a Tambor? Not likely, LCDR Prince and LCDR King get Tambors, LCDR King's XO get promoted to command the Salmon, LT Peasant gets LCDR Prince's old Porpoise for his next command. If LT Peasant does an outstanding job and gets a lot of medals, he could get the best sub available, but the average would get something better than he had but not always the best.

The way the game is set up the "upgrade" is a completely random roll of the dice, it's possible to go from an S boat to a Gato, then for the next "upgrade" you get demoted to a Salmon. What I'm trying to do here is make the progression more logical, and the Flotilla Commonality number still leaves the career programming random rather than something that makes sense. Editing those Flotilla Commonality numbers reduces the odds of going from a Balao to a Gar, but a bad roll of the dice is still possible.

[aanker]

Interesting project, good luck.

I was just correcting the record regarding when the GATO class boats started patrolling in Asiatic.

Happy Hunting!

[yubba]

You can use this as blue print to get what you want where,, I haven't swap boats around yet,, but I'm thinking of it,, what I did do was put RFB 1.4 upc campaign file into claytons optical correction 1.4,, and now I have a nice list of dates and a attack map that works.. This what I did for the PT may be you will find what you missed in here. Took some editing in the main game folder but I got it to work in RFB 1.4 out of Manila to start since I just figured it out,there is a bit of editing so bare with me, I'll print out edits. You edit UPC Data files,,.. Start with Career Start,, edit this so it looks like this,, you should dump the UPC Campaign file out of the PT-109 first before install it and do the edits in main game folder

[CareerStart 2.Flotilla 2]
ID= C2Flotilla2
NameDisplayable= Manila
IDLinkFlotilla= FremantleCommand
IDLinkUserPlayerUnits= F2Sboat, 5, F2Porpoise, 7, F2Salmon, 4, F2Sargo, 8, F1NSSPT109, 4
FlotillaBriefingText= ; seems to have no function
FlotillaCommonality= 2 ; to be used when a random choice is assigned

then go to Flotillas and edit this you can copy and paste this

[Flotilla 2.UserPlayerUnitType 9]
ID= F1NSSPT109
NameDisplayable=Elco PT_109 MTB
AvailabilityInterval= 1938-01-01, 1945-12-31
IDLinkUserPlayerUnitType= NSS_PT_109
UnitTypeCommonality= 4
IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo= NULL


then add this I copied one of subs campaigns and renamed it..you can also copy and paste this

[Flotilla 2.UserPlayerUnitType 9.Objective 1] ; NSSPT109
ID= Fre3OBj1
NameDisplayable= Objectives placed around the Phillipines
AvailabilityInterval=NULL, 1944-10-01
ObjectiveCode= Philippines

[Flotilla 2.UserPlayerUnitType 9.Objective 2]
ID= Fre3OBj2
NameDisplayable= Java Sea
AvailabilityInterval=1942-02-01, 1945-08-01
ObjectiveCode= Java Sea

[Flotilla 2.UserPlayerUnitType 9.Objective 3]
ID= Fre3OBj3
NameDisplayable= Makassar Strait
AvailabilityInterval=1942-05-01, 1944-03-01
ObjectiveCode= Makasar Strait

[Flotilla 2.UserPlayerUnitType 9.Objective 4]
ID= Fre3OBj4
NameDisplayable= Celebes Sea
AvailabilityInterval=NULL, 1944-11-01
ObjectiveCode= Celebes Sea

[Flotilla 2.UserPlayerUnitType 9.Objective 5]
ID= Fre3OBj5
NameDisplayable= South China Sea
AvailabilityInterval=1941-12-01, 1945-09-01
ObjectiveCode= South China Sea

[Flotilla 2.UserPlayerUnitType 9.Objective 6]
ID= Fre3OBj6
NameDisplayable= Sulu Sea
AvailabilityInterval=NULL, 1942-02-28
ObjectiveCode= Sulu Sea

[Flotilla 2.UserPlayerUnitType 9.Objective 7]
ID= Fre3OBj7
NameDisplayable= Formosa
AvailabilityInterval=NULL, 1941-12-20
ObjectiveCode= Formosa Strait

[Flotilla 2.UserPlayerUnitType 9.Objective 8]
ID= Fre3OBj8
NameDisplayable= Luzon Strait
AvailabilityInterval=NULL, 1941-12-23
ObjectiveCode= Luzon Strait

;***************************


then go to UPC Units make a new folder and copy and paste the porpoise file inside new folder and rename,, to UnitParts9NSSPT_109

then open file and Edit this so it looks likes this

[UnitPart 1]
ID= NSS_PT_109
Type= NSS_PT_109ConningTower
NameDisplayable= NSS_PT_109 MTB
UnitPartInterval=NULL, NULL
ExternalLinkName3D= data/objects/Conning_PT109_01
HullTextureNameOverride=data/Submarine/NSS_PT1_09/NSS_PT_109class_T01.tga
HullLightmapTextureNameOverride=data/Submarine/NSS_PT_109/NSS_PT_109_O01.tga
HullNormalmapTextureNameOverride= NULL
MenuSilhouetteTextureNameOverride=NSS_PT_109_Class _01.tga


then remove it and place it back in UPCUnits folder that should do it

[ETR3(SS)]

The logic is behind the actual number of boats per class vs time. Start of war there were 10 Porpoise class, 6 Salmon Class, 10 Sargo Class, 12 Tambor Class. The Gato Class production was ramping up with a total of 77 completed, followed by 120 Balao Class boats. Odds are you're going to transfer to a new boat, and those odds become greater the later in the war due to losses of the older classes.

I do understand what you're saying though from the perspective of working your way up the ladder. But as you and I both know the Navy puts people where it needs them.

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

... But as you and I both know the Navy puts people where it needs them.

So, that would explain my last boat then:

[Sniper297]

Yeah, especially in wartime. My current problem is random CTD, rather than improving with 1.5 it's actually more frequent, so now I gotta try a US career with no mods, see if one of the many many mods is the problem or 1.5 isn't worth the aggravation.

[propbeanie]

Watch for semi-colons where they shouldn't be, and where they should be... That's been my biggest mistake most times, in that I'll do a divider line of
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and forget to put the semi-colon in front to make it a comment... bad dates too, and mis-matched ID and Commonality stuff...

[Sniper297]

Usually a single error in a file will result in a crash when loading, or if specific to a single system or ship will have a trigger. Example, a sonar file is screwed up you get CTD when you go to the sonar station, or an error in the CFG file for a FUBUKI class destroyer will cause a crash when there's a FUBUKI in sight. This doesn't seem to be specific to anything, sometimes changing views, sometimes after a torpedo hit, sometimes tracking a target with the sonar, sometimes just when cruising along. And of course I reload a save and repeat the same things and it doesn't crash, one of them unholy bugs that can't be duplicated easily which makes troubleshooting a nightmare. Only way to deal with it is start from scratch with a clean install.

[propbeanie]

But man, when it actually ~works~!!! Wow! How cool is that?...