Royal Navy's entire fleet of attack submarines out of action

STEED · 02-10-17, 05:50 PM

We still got pea shooters and spud guns...Bring it on.

Skybird · 02-10-17, 05:53 PM

Maybe it is more practical to focus on making the British isles as a whole submergable.

Sink Britain!

Oberon · 02-10-17, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Maybe it is more practical to focus on making the British isles as a whole submergable.

Sink Britain!

We've dug enough holes in the ground over the years, heck at one point in 1900 the French reckoned that we were working on turning Britain buoyant and floating away.

MGR1 · 02-11-17, 06:55 AM

This might be of some relevance:

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall...7-02-08a.152.2

Note that apart from one junior Minister there were no Conservative MP's present for the debate. Probably due to it being instigated by a member of the SNP.

Also this:

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/what...ding-strategy/

Mike.

Onkel Neal · 02-11-17, 08:07 AM

Look out, the Russians know about this now

No attack submarines are left in Britain

Jimbuna · 02-11-17, 08:12 AM

Is Lend-Lease still an option?

Oberon · 02-11-17, 09:37 AM

The US Navy isn't without its problems either, over half of their F-18s are grounded awaiting maintenance, the USS Boise has lost its diving certificate, and five other submarines (presumably also 688s) are not looking in good condition.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/...hters-cant-fly

And if that wasn't cheerful enough (that's sarcasm by the way) the UK MOD rumour mill indicates that this years military spending review is going to be a massacre.

STEED · 02-11-17, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Is Lend-Lease still an option?

No we must buy it outright and allow Trump to build Trump Towers in Scotland and more golf courses, ass long as its all in Scotland what the heck.

Catfish · 02-11-17, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Look out, the Russians know about this now

You mean they will have to reduce their patrols, now there 's no one to rescue them?

ikalugin · 02-12-17, 05:58 AM

I mean this is a natural result of the smaller SSN force - the smaller you go the higher is the risk that no subs would be availiable for duties.

For RuN, readiness was vastly improved since we actually got the funding going (around 2010), this (unofficial, made out of the open data):

(the table shows SSNs of Akula series with historical and projected statuses. gray = reserve; yellow = repairs, refits and modernisation; green = availiable for duties)
Currently it appears that we plan to maintain a ~24 strong force of non strategic nuclear submarines (ie SSNs and SSGNs) between the various classes. This allows us to deploy more than one such submarine on missions, you may remember the reports regarding Kuznetsov's sortie into the Med when multiple subs participated.

Only in 00s (and now in 10s) we got the money to fix the submarine fleet's problems, including decomissioning the nuclear reactors. One of the big projects in the later area was decomissioning the support vessel we were using for refuelling, as it had a lot of spent fuel assemblies in it. You can read more here: http://www.rosatom.ru/production/safety/ (unfortunately the eng version of Rosatom website appears to lack the data)

So while there were problems in the past due to the funding problems they are by now largerly either solved or in the process of being solved, so propelling the myth about "useless russian rusting submarines" serves noone. Also, an interesting graph (this time in english):

(note this graph depicts nuclear submarines of all types, with Delta and Victor series being counted as 2nd gen SSBNs)

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	We still got pea shooters and spud guns...Bring it on. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,637 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Maybe it is more practical to focus on making the British isles as a whole submergable. Sink Britain! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-11-17, 06:55 AM	#4
MGR1 Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom Posts: 980 Downloads: 252 Uploads: 0	This might be of some relevance: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall...7-02-08a.152.2 Note that apart from one junior Minister there were no Conservative MP's present for the debate. Probably due to it being instigated by a member of the SNP. Also this: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/what...ding-strategy/ Mike. __________________ "I am the battleship Jean Bart. This name originates from a certain 'respected' privateer... Yes? You want to know what privateers are? Hmph, they are pirates that rob openly under the banner of their country." Jean Bart from the mobile game Azur Lane.

02-11-17, 08:07 AM	#5
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Look out, the Russians know about this now No attack submarines are left in Britain __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

02-11-17, 08:12 AM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,552 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Is Lend-Lease still an option? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-11-17, 09:37 AM	#7
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The US Navy isn't without its problems either, over half of their F-18s are grounded awaiting maintenance, the USS Boise has lost its diving certificate, and five other submarines (presumably also 688s) are not looking in good condition. http://www.defensenews.com/articles/...hters-cant-fly And if that wasn't cheerful enough (that's sarcasm by the way) the UK MOD rumour mill indicates that this years military spending review is going to be a massacre.

02-12-17, 05:58 AM	#10
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I mean this is a natural result of the smaller SSN force - the smaller you go the higher is the risk that no subs would be availiable for duties. For RuN, readiness was vastly improved since we actually got the funding going (around 2010), this (unofficial, made out of the open data): (the table shows SSNs of Akula series with historical and projected statuses. gray = reserve; yellow = repairs, refits and modernisation; green = availiable for duties) Currently it appears that we plan to maintain a ~24 strong force of non strategic nuclear submarines (ie SSNs and SSGNs) between the various classes. This allows us to deploy more than one such submarine on missions, you may remember the reports regarding Kuznetsov's sortie into the Med when multiple subs participated. Only in 00s (and now in 10s) we got the money to fix the submarine fleet's problems, including decomissioning the nuclear reactors. One of the big projects in the later area was decomissioning the support vessel we were using for refuelling, as it had a lot of spent fuel assemblies in it. You can read more here: http://www.rosatom.ru/production/safety/ (unfortunately the eng version of Rosatom website appears to lack the data) So while there were problems in the past due to the funding problems they are by now largerly either solved or in the process of being solved, so propelling the myth about "useless russian rusting submarines" serves noone. Also, an interesting graph (this time in english): (note this graph depicts nuclear submarines of all types, with Delta and Victor series being counted as 2nd gen SSBNs) __________________ Grumpy as always. Last edited by ikalugin; 02-12-17 at 06:19 AM.

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