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Old 01-22-17, 11:14 PM   #1
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As a non-American, Obama is one of the most likeable (is that a word?) presidents.. ever. He's so relatable somehow.
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Old 01-23-17, 07:24 AM   #2
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As a non-American, Obama is one of the most likeable (is that a word?) presidents.. ever. He's so relatable somehow.
I agree, he just seems to be relaxed, down to earth and had a genuinely decent family.
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Old 01-23-17, 08:11 AM   #3
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I agree, he just seems to be relaxed, down to earth and had a genuinely decent family.
Similar impression in Germany, but in the USA they all seem to hate him. Well not all.. but on Facebook and some US forums the sheer hate expressed is unbelievable, and hard to understand and swallow.

Seems he is a red rag for the "right", because he dared to try to initiate better relations with the Middle East and arabian countries, when he began his presidency. Then getting Bin Laden was a success, though an international tribunal would maybe have been better.
I have no ball in the matter anyway, negative points for me are that Guantanamo is not being closed, and the use of drones to kill insurgents together with what is so lightly called "collateral damage" without court decision.. but then he did not put american soldiers to a direct threat that way. The question is whether a president can even decide about the use of drones himself and alone.

Of course a lot of projects did not succeed, some because of congress, some because he was too idealistic, or not cyncial enough. Or expecting that certain nationalist states would have any kind of logic, or common sense. Well after the arabian answer to an outstretched hand, the US/We/the West will not try this again.
Whatever, he tried to make a lot of things better.
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On the Gitmo question: Some in the Far Right GOP recently have been gloating about Obama not being able to complete his campaign promise to close Gitmo and they have been somewhat successful in casting it as a failure by Obama; however, it is closer to the truth Obama's failure to close the prison was in great part due to GOP Congressional members actively blocking any attempts to completely close the facilities. So, yes, Obama failed to close Gitmo, but mainly due to GOP interference, interference for which, oddly, they have not been extensively called to task by the "left-biased mainstream press". I would post a link, but there are so many; just Google "GOP block Gitmo closure"; the whole history is there...



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On the Gitmo question: Some in the Far Right GOP recently have been gloating about Obama not being able to complete his campaign promise to close Gitmo and they have been somewhat successful in casting it as a failure by Obama; however, it is closer to the truth Obama's failure to close the prison was in great part due to GOP Congressional members actively blocking any attempts to completely close the facilities. So, yes, Obama failed to close Gitmo, but mainly due to GOP interference, interference for which, oddly, they have not been extensively called to task by the "left-biased mainstream press". I would post a link, but there are so many; just Google "GOP block Gitmo closure"; the whole history is there...



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Mainly due to GOP interference huh?. I suppose that's exactly what you'll link too when select for your search parameter "GOP block GITMO closure".

But if you select for a search the likes of "why isn't GITMO closed" it's not as cut and dry as the usin' s agin them'ins, politics of the day.
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One of the problems is that some are not even being accused, they were just brought there accidentally, wrong place at the wrong time (see this taxi driver). Since they are not accused (and maybe never will) they just stay where they are.
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Mainly due to GOP interference huh?. I suppose that's exactly what you'll link too when select for your search parameter "GOP block GITMO closure".

But if you select for a search the likes of "why isn't GITMO closed" it's not as cut and dry as the usin' s agin them'ins, politics of the day.
Ya know, I did put "why isn't GITMO closed" into the Google search box and got, as the very first link, a CNN article that contained the following:

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Obama outlined a blueprint that involves transferring the bulk of remaining detainees to other countries and moving the rest -- who can't be transferred abroad because they're deemed too dangerous -- to an as-yet-undetermined detention facility in the United States.

But Republicans in Congress wasted no time in voicing their opposition to the administration's proposal.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/politi...-closure-plan/

Well, this couldn't be; I was told that using the suggested search parameters I would find an entirely different story where the GOP in Congress were not blocking closure of Gitmo, so I looked further and in link after link reference is made to the GOP in Congress taking action after action to block the closure of Gitmo, even to the point of the GOP-controlled Congress passing a law specifically forbidding the closure. Here is the second link in the Google results:

5 Reasons President Obama Hasn't Been Able to Close Guantanamo Bay:

http://time.com/4179278/state-of-the...esident-obama/

The next several links I sampled yielded similar results; I did, however, do as you suggested but I'm not really finding any real evidence, other than the GOP actually passing a prohibitive law, which would actually require "an act of Congress" to repeal, that there is any other major reason why Gitmo couldn't be closed...

For the GOP to blame Obama for the failure to keep his promise to close Gitmo is akin a card shark using a marked deck blaming the other guy's poker losses on poor playing ability...



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Ah, but CNN and Time.com are part of the lugenpresse don't forget, therefore anything they say is automatically invalid.
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