An overlooked corner of West Texas is believed to contain billions of bls of new oil

[vienna]

I wasn't referring to Apache, specifically, just the Texas-based oil industry, in general. The fact Texas-based oil companies are very actively exploiting in, it seems, any other state but Texas has been used to bolster the belief in Texan oil hoarding. Added to the hoarding is the heavy expenditure by those companies to lobby against any of the other states levying fees anywhere near those levied in Texas; California was only one example...

(BTW: The main reason I know as much as I do about the CA situation is I worked on the anti-fee increase project for a CA GOP consultant firm; very eye-opening, in may ways...)...

True, there will always be a need for oil products, but, as car mileage performance goes up, alternate fuels are developed (hydrogen is most likely to be the next big push), and US consumer taste and awareness of environmental issues increase, the market for oil products as it stands now will be radically changed. Added to the mix is the growing recycling industry; if a previously manufactured petroleum product can be easily recycled, the market for the manufacture of items made from oil will reduce. Where before oil products, and many other products, were seen as fully disposable, the trend is to recycle and reuse rather than continue building up bigger landfills...



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[Aktungbby]

(hydrogen is most likely to be the next big push),

Why I'm seriously considering turning in my '86 Camry and '05 Corolla, each with 240,000 miles, on a new Mirai this very week. I'll still have be careful about the fuel stops as the only stations are 40 miles in either direction. The refuel 'infrastructure' is admittedly slim. The hydrogen tanks are pressurized and get 300 mi to the tank. The rebate from CA & Toyota, the fed tax credit together with a 15K fuel debit card made it a 'good deal'. And!!! I can ride the diamond lanes w/o any problem!

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Why I'm seriously considering turning in my '86 Camry and '05 Corolla, each with 240,000 miles, on a new Mirai this very week. I'll still have be careful about the fuel stops as the only stations are 40 miles in either direction. The refuel 'infrastructure' is admittedly slim. The hydrogen tanks are pressurized and get 300 mi to the tank. The rebate from CA & Toyota, the fed tax credit together with a 15K fuel debit card made it a 'good deal'. And!!! I can ride the diamond lanes w/o any problem!

That's really interesting.. didn't know they were this far. But after all the 100-year-old Otto engine can still be powered by hydrogen, instead of mineral-based fuel.
Only problems are tank and infrastructure, as mentioned. And the design
Seems a lot of (german) car manufacturers have been sleeping ..

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Catfish

That's really interesting.. didn't know they were this far. But after all the 100-year-old Otto engine can still be powered by hydrogen, instead of mineral-based fuel.
Only problems are tank and infrastructure, as mentioned. And the design
Seems a lot of (german) car manufacturers have been sleeping ..

Yeah I actually sat in one in full gear to see if it's comfortable for long periods up to 15 hours a day. Only a few dealers have them. If it is to be my workmobile, the fuel must be dependable 24/7. My opinion is: it's a glorified Prius and a cheaper version is due out...so no rush. (Klick to enlarge) Mirai cutaway showing the electric traction motor and power control unit in the front, the fuel cell stack in the middle, and the nickel-metal hydride traction rechargeable battery above the hydrogen storage tanks in the rear One thing catches my eye:" the tanks hold 10,000lbs pressure are 'designed not to leak' ...any xtrucker/Cessna pilot er knows that it's not a perfect world. My custom CA Plate( if it can get past the censors):
Bottom line: with the CA state 'pushing infrastructure' with tax rebates and credits etc; it's a greenday political correctness situation and I'm a not inclined toward automotive guinea pig. Das Fräu says no and I'm sadly inclined to agree. California had ten hydrogen fueling stations in 2015, and the government provided about $47 million for 28 additional stations there...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_safety

[Mr Quatro]

We owe China money, right? Why don't we (USA) offer straight out transfer deals of oil from the USA (Texas is still in the USA, right ) straight to China and reduce the national debt at the same time.

Just take all of the taxes and middle men out of the deal to make it work.

China finally surpassed the United States as the top global importer of crude oil. China finally surpassed the United States as the top global importer of crude oil. May 2015

China imported an average of 6.1 million barrels of oil a day. Of that, more than 52 percent — or 3.2 million barrels — came from countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Iraq.

In other words, despite years of effort to source more energy from places like Africa, Latin America, Central Asia, and Russia, China gets more oil today from the Middle East than all the oil it imported just a few years ago.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/11/...ast-opec-sloc/

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

We owe China money, right? Why don't we (USA) offer straight out transfer deals of oil from the USA (Texas is still in the USA, right ) straight to China and reduce the national debt at the same time.

Just take all of the taxes and middle men out of the deal to make it work.


http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/11/...ast-opec-sloc/

Maybe we could just give them California instead?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

Think bigger like a Texan. ..
They'll secede from the planet.

This is going to hurt me, if it keeps oil prices low

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Maybe we could just give them California instead?

Just Long Beach

$1.241 trillion
US Economy. The U.S. debt to China is $1.241 trillion, as of June 2016. That's nearly 31% of the $4.038 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $19 trillion debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself ...

[Catfish]

^ regarding alternative fuel, i thought you do not need to tank hydrogen in a car with fuel cells. The fuel cells produce as much hydrogen as is needed at the moment, there is no need for a storage. I wonder what they "tank" into the Mirai, because if it is hydrogen it would not need fuel cells.

Regarding the Hindenburg.. as said before, not possible with fuel cells because not enough hydrogen.

edit: i was wrong. The Mirai tanks hydrogen, and burns it with oxygen to generate energy - so the Mirai has hydrogen tanks.
Regarding danger of explosion normal fuel is not harmless as well.. but we got used to it.

http://www.popsci.com/how-hydrogen-vehicles-work

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Why I'm seriously considering turning in my '86 Camry and '05 Corolla, each with 240,000 miles, on a new Mirai this very week. I'll still have be careful about the fuel stops as the only stations are 40 miles in either direction. The refuel 'infrastructure' is admittedly slim. The hydrogen tanks are pressurized and get 300 mi to the tank. The rebate from CA & Toyota, the fed tax credit together with a 15K fuel debit card made it a 'good deal'. And!!! I can ride the diamond lanes w/o any problem!

I think, duh I can still think You ought to get a van with regular fuel due to what if there was an earthquake and you needed gas would be easier to get gas than where you would with hydrogen. If you really want hydrogen check with the Ca auction every month in Sacramento for a used one that they don't want anymore and then ask them why they don't want it anymore.

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[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by vienna

I wasn't referring to Apache, specifically, just the Texas-based oil industry, in general. The fact Texas-based oil companies are very actively exploiting in, it seems, any other state but Texas has been used to bolster the belief in Texan oil hoarding. Added to the hoarding is the heavy expenditure by those companies to lobby against any of the other states levying fees anywhere near those levied in Texas; California was only one example...

(BTW: The main reason I know as much as I do about the CA situation is I worked on the anti-fee increase project for a CA GOP consultant firm; very eye-opening, in may ways...)...

True, there will always be a need for oil products, but, as car mileage performance goes up, alternate fuels are developed (hydrogen is most likely to be the next big push), and US consumer taste and awareness of environmental issues increase, the market for oil products as it stands now will be radically changed. Added to the mix is the growing recycling industry; if a previously manufactured petroleum product can be easily recycled, the market for the manufacture of items made from oil will reduce. Where before oil products, and many other products, were seen as fully disposable, the trend is to recycle and reuse rather than continue building up bigger landfills...



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thank you for your knowledge and input vienna

I thought you were from California ... how does someone from California know so much about Texas?

[Rockstar]

Well the U.S. may well be on its way to becoming the cleanest fuel burning, solar power producing, trash recycling, environmentalist tree hugging nation in the world. But the rest of the world is far from attaining environmental nirvana and will need oil to function well beyond the foreseeable future.

Id wager that once we become independent from foreign and domestic oil. We'll have cornered the market by continuing to produce oil, creating a glut that will keep prices down and other oil producing nations in the poor house.

The U.S. and Texas will have the world by the balls.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

The U.S. and Texas will have the world by the balls.

...and just wait till we figure out what this guy understood

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by em2nought

...and just wait till we figure out what this guy understood

Niolai Tesla really was ahead of his time. It will be interesting to see how this find pans out.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Niolai Tesla really was ahead of his time. It will be interesting to see how this find pans out.

I don't think he was ahead of his time at all. He was smart and made a name for himself with interesting, showy, phenomenom and more electro-motive power to him.