Mass stabbing in central London leaves woman dead and six injured

[Feuer Frei!]

I'm fully aware of what close-quarter fighting involves.

First, you have to identify the target.

Then get close enough.


Good luck on both of those, before the bomb is detonated with you being turned into pink mist.

Unless of course the terrorist is a child, with explosives strapped to their body for easy identification.

But then there still remains the getting in close issue.

[Betonov]

Is this a stabbing thread or a bombing thread ???

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Is this a stabbing thread or a bombing thread ???

Yes.

I think we need knife and bomb control. Guns are so yesterday.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yes.

I think we need knife and bomb control. Guns are so yesterday.

Actually we need a chilli pepper control, that's what I started with

[AVGWarhawk]

Popcorn control.

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[Oberon]

We need to set controls on controlling.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Oberon

We need to set controls on controlling.

Even if it was a joke, it's true

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Is this a stabbing thread or a bombing thread ???

You are talking about close-quarter combat with terrorists, no?

If you have already forgotten that you 'advised' me earlier in this thread what close quarter combat involves, mentioning "a knife attack is close quarter", then why are you asking if this is a stabbing thread when i asked how you would engage a terrorist in close quarter combat?

I use the word terrorist as you mentioned a terrorist (terrorist attack) as one of your examples earlier, along with muggers.

So, the onus is on you to inform me how you would 'engage' a terrorist, not a mugger, in close-quarter combat.

The pictures i posted serve a purpose.

And just to get the ball rolling for you, let's just assume that terrorists are not just armed with a knife.

Firstly, that would be too easy and secondly, incredibly unrealistic and lacking in any credibility.

[em2nought]

So I was slicing a habanero the other day and had to pee. BIG MISTAKE!

I think Britain should either bring back the longbow or the SMLE now that you're not ruled by the EU.

Originally Posted by em2nought

I think Britain should either bring back the longbow or the SMLE now that you're not ruled by the EU.

Yes, because it was Brussels that told the UK to have strict gun laws...

[Jimbuna]

I feel far safer living on the UK mainland than I would on mainland Europe.

[Gerald]

Aye.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

You are talking about close-quarter combat with terrorists, no?
.

I was talking about an attacker, which can mean a terrorist but also a mental case, drunken hooligan or a very angry spouse.
Who can wield a knife, fist or a frying pan.

I never said that chilli peppers would be a good terror deterent or defence against an AK or bomb vest.

I was also half joking since chilli peppers have a tendency to go bad after a few warm days and you're defenceles outside harvesting season.
But I know how it feels just to scratch yourself on the face after cutting some macedonian fringe peppers and showing one into someones face would completel blind him for an hour.

So now tell me, are you going to understand that I meant any attacker including drunks in a bar and not just terrorists or not, because I will not explain myself again for the third time.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

So, the onus is on you to inform me how you would 'engage' a terrorist, not a mugger, in close-quarter combat..

Close quarters you mean I can't run anymore. He's already on top of me.

I dont know. If I took some good self defence classes I'd know. Provided the terrorist decided to go close quarters with me without a firearm or bomb, in which case my answer would be to die.
In case I was attacked by knife I'd punch and kick and if I had my compulsure I'd maybe grab something to smah into his face, draw my picket knife and cut back, do anything but stand there and die.

But the thread and my chilli coment wasnt about bomb wielding terrorists, but a knife wielding nutcase, so why am I even writting how I would handle a terrorist.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Betonov

I was talking about an attacker, which can mean a terrorist but also a mental case, drunken hooligan or a very angry spouse.
Who can wield a knife, fist or a frying pan.

I used the terrorist example and expanded on that because you mentioned that type of attacker as one of your examples earlier.
The reason i did that was because engaging a mugger, drunken hooligan or angry spouse in close quarter combat is much more, let's say trivial than our other example.
The terrorist.
Who unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on which side you stand on, is not armed with frying pans or knife only.
That would be far too easy.

I never said that chilli peppers would be a good terror deterent or defence against an AK or bomb vest.

Not outright, no, however the example of terrorist was mentioned by you.
I also see that you and Catfish were engaging in banter about that, as in jesting.
I didn't pick up on that, hence my pressing you for a explanation on the art of close quarter combat with a terrorist.
Nonetheless i think it still stands as a interesting discussion.
In general.
How to firstly identify the target, analyze the target, risk assess, if 'safe' to do so, which is where the conundrum is with this, and then engage target in close quarter combat.

I was also half joking since chilli peppers

See above

So now tell me, are you going to understand that I meant any attacker including drunks in a bar and not just terrorists or not, because I will not explain myself again for the third time.

Any attacker, which included the word terrorist. By you.
It was and still is pointless to discuss engaging a target to the likes of an angry spuse or a drunken hooligan or a man in a wheelchair who didn't get his pension paid on time and the 3 afore-mentioned 'targets' are armed with frying pans or an old shoe because, well that would be a quick and rather uninteresting debate.

So no, you don't have to explain yourself a third time.

Originally Posted by Betonov

Close quarters you mean I can't run anymore. He's already on top of me.

Or you on top of him?
A better scenario, no?
If you (in general) are skilled enough to engage and carry out this fighting style.

I dont know. If I took some good self defence classes I'd know. Provided the terrorist decided to go close quarters with me without a firearm or bomb, in which case my answer would be to die.
In case I was attacked by knife I'd punch and kick and if I had my compulsure I'd maybe grab something to smah into his face, draw my picket knife and cut back, do anything but stand there and die.

Now we are starting to discuss the what-ifs of engaging a terrorist in close quarter combat
And preferably one who isn't armed with a frying pan or an old shoe sole.

But the thread and my chilli coment wasnt about bomb wielding terrorists, but a knife wielding nutcase, so why am I even writting how I would handle a terrorist.

Well, a terrorist who is only armed with a knife is a good scenario to have when engaging them in close quarter fighting.
A preferred scenario, no less.

However, as my 2 of my photos showed, and seems to be the case proven countless times, terrorists are armed with more than just frying pans.
Or knives for that matter.
Or bombs and detonator strapped to themselves.

The latter is much more difficult to engage.
The prior, much easier.
Easier in the sense that a knife-wielding terrorist will pose a much higher success rate in overcoming the target and disarming that a bomb-wielding and AK-47 and Glock-wielding Terrorist who may or may not be identified (civilian clothing, ambush scenario, a woman, a child, camaflouaged etc).

A knife-wielding nut case and a Gun and/or bomb-wielding nutcase can be certainly given the term Terrorist since in many cases around the world, terrorists have chosen to arm themselves, amongst other weaponry, with these instruments.

That is why i am discussing the terrorist and identifying, assessing, and the possible ways of engaging a terrorist.

But not a frying-pan or knife-wielding terrorist.

It's an open discussion of course.

The difficulties in engaging a 'armed' terrorist, fully armed, not some hoodlum who isn't fighting for Allah or IS, is, very very difficult.