Is war between cops and citizens brewing?

[Torplexed]

Geeezus, it's been a bad week in the US.

First, the police shooting of a black man in Baton Rogue who appears in video to have been already bodily pinned down by the cops.

Then, the death of a black motorist in Minnesota by an officer after being pulled over for a broken tail light. Most of it streamed live by the dying motorist's girlfriend

Now four cops dead in Dallas in what appears to be coordinated sniper attack during a Black Lives Matter rally. A total of 11 officers shot during the protests.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/us/phi...sts/index.html

Going from bad to worse. It feels like were sitting on a powder keg these days.

[em2nought]

Haven't they heard in Dallas? There are no guilty democrats.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

It feels like were sitting on a powder keg these days.

I think you pretty much are.

[Skybird]

Racism cannot be declared "over" by legislation. Statistics speak a clear language since long time. What seems to happen now is a radicalization of both sides: civil society, and police.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Going from bad to worse. It feels like were sitting on a powder keg these days.

Sadly, I have to agree.

*le sigh*

Ah yes, the secret genocide against the poor, harmless and peaceful black population of America continues. Damn all these racist cops (so all of them) who shoot more white people than black people... wait what? Oh!

But don't get facts in the way while you're rioting again, trashing your city, causing more violence, because the evil white man is after you.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

*le sigh*

Ah yes, the secret genocide against the poor, harmless and peaceful black population of America continues. Damn all these racist cops (so all of them) who shoot more white people than black people... wait what? Oh!

But don't get facts in the way while you're rioting again, trashing your city, causing more violence, because the evil white man is after you.

You seem to be painting an entire race with the same brush. Video evidence is pretty hard to discredit. One video shows a police officer shooting an unarmed man in the back 7-8 times for a traffic pull over. His race doesn't matter at all. He was a black man though.
Of course, there are many who live in the U.S who have a better understanding and perspective than someone who lives an ocean away.

By the way, the President of the U.S who happens to be black has acknowledged there is a problem with selective law enforcement. I think he has a better understanding of this issue as well.

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

You seem to be painting an entire race with the same brush.

No, I do not, but most of the black people in the US are in the very same situation: Living in lowest conditions, in poverty, surrounded by (black) violence.
But statistics don't really support the "black victim role", do they?
Also, many black people act as if "the white people" are on the hunt for them - might want to tell them what you just told me.

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Video evidence is pretty hard to discredit. One video shows a police officer shooting an unarmed man in the back 7-8 times for a traffic pull over.

And that's totally sick, let's hope the guy gets what he deserves? What's the issue?

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Of course, there are many who live in the U.S who have a better understanding and perspective than someone who lives an ocean away.

Possibly. Just living there doesn't necessarily make one an expert on the matter. I could be on Mars and still read articles that point out some inconsistencies here and that generalizing the cops as "evil racist killers" is a no-brainer,
especially when more white people die to police actions than black people and that the very most black people die at the hand of black people.
And what about this:

 

The problem isn't racism.
Yes there are some racist cops, of course there are.
But if you think that every racist cop is automatically a cold blooded lunatic killer - like many black communities claim, you're a tad naive, don't you think?
And mind you I'm talking the general issue here - not a particular case.

Looks like Paul Watson made a video about the whole thing.
For those interested:

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

*le sigh*

Ah yes, the secret genocide against the poor, harmless and peaceful black population of America continues. Damn all these racist cops (so all of them) who shoot more white people than black people... wait what? Oh!

But don't get facts in the way while you're rioting again, trashing your city, causing more violence, because the evil white man is after you.

As far as a " Secret Genocide " against blacks, the facts support that racial profiling and selective enforcement exists. I think if you were black in the U.S, you would have a right to be concerned about your safety and well being. I can certainly understand why black people would feel they are under siege. Again, the President of the U.S has acknowledged there is a problem.

As far as poor black people, you are misinformed. I knew of many black people I went to college with or were professors and administrators. Many of them today are highly regarded professionals in their own right. Some of the officers in question were also black that committed these crimes which indicates this is a much larger issue than white on black.

Racism may well be behind all of these issues or at the least, play a role.

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

No, I do not, but most of the black people in the US are in the very same situation: Living in lowest conditions, in poverty, surrounded by (black) violence.
But statistics don't really support the "black victim role", do they?
Also, many black people act as if "the white people" are on the hunt for them - might want to tell them what you just told me.
And that's totally sick, let's hope the guy gets what he deserves? What's the issue?

Possibly. Just living there doesn't necessarily make one an expert on the matter. I could be on Mars and still read articles that point out some inconsistencies here and that generalizing the cops as "evil racist killers" is a no-brainer,
especially when more white people die to police actions than black people and that the very most black people die at the hand of black people.
And what about this:

 

The problem isn't racism.
Yes there are some racist cops, of course there are.
But if you think that every racist cop is automatically a cold blooded lunatic killer - like many black communities claim, you're a tad naive, don't you think?
And mind you I'm talking the general issue here - not a particular case.

Looks like Paul Watson made a video about the whole thing.
For those interested:

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

As far as a " Secret Genocide " against blacks, the facts support that racial profiling and selective enforcement exists.

And for a good reason!
Again -> Crime statistics.

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I think if you were black in the U.S, you would have a right to be concerned about your safety and well being.

Why? Because of millions and millions of black people, one or two get shot who were indeed completely innocent? Really?

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Again, the President of the U.S has acknowledged there is a problem.

Yes, because that means anything.

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

As far as poor black people, you are misinformed. I knew of many black people I went to college with or were professors and administrators.

Yes, of course - and meanwhile in reality, most black people still live in conditions that are vastly the opposite of what you just described.

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Some of the officers in question were also black that committed these crimes which indicates this is a much larger issue than white on black.

Racism may well be behind all of these issues or at the least, play a role.

Explain to me how black on black violence is a racial matter.
And that was my hole point.
The problem is not racism!

But hey, feels before facts everyone...

[Gargamel]

Yes, there's bad cops out there. Just like there's bad people in general. But the vast vast majority of cops are in this business to help people, to protect them, to make a difference.

But they are also going to be going home every night, or at least try too. So if they feel they are in a situation where it has suddenly become "them or me", they are going to react accordingly. They have a split second to make that call, and it's a major life changing event, and sometimes they get it wrong.

But people need to help the cops out. Even if they cop is VERY much in the wrong with their actions, YOU COMPLY. DO NOT resist a police officer at the time. That way, they are never forced into making that decision.

But that's not always the case, sometimes a cop just makes the wrong choice at the wrong time, and it ends badly. It's a two way street, EVERYBODY involved needs to realize this needs de-escalated.



Now, here's the thing that's really bothering me. I cannot find the article again, but in the bottom section of a BBC article on the baton rouge shooting, it was explaining who took the video.

Apparently it was from a professional documentary crew that specializes in police brutality videos.

Wait, what? This shooting was a setup? How else do you explain how a doc crew was sitting there just as an incident was happening?

The man was a previous felon, who was trying to support his family by selling bootleg CD's. But yet he was carrying a gun, which is a major no no. Then some random tip comes in about him, and then he struggles against the cops, and during the struggle, somebody (reportedly not the cops) yells he's got a gun. Then you can hear the genuine surprise in the video shooter's voice when that happens.

I'm pretty damn sure that it will be eventually revealed that this documentary crew paid this guy a good sum of money to sit there and to take a beating. If he's done time before, he probably would have been more willing to do a little more if it meant his kids would have been taken care of for a while. This crew would have made more than enough off this video to cover that cost.


THAT'S what bothers me. These incidents are bad enough when they happen "naturally", but now people are going out to set up the cops. Doing this is a far less ludicrous idea than ambushing and killing 5 cops.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

*le sigh*

Ah yes, the secret genocide against the poor, harmless and peaceful black population of America continues. Damn all these racist cops (so all of them) who shoot more white people than black people... wait what? Oh!

But don't get facts in the way while you're rioting again, trashing your city, causing more violence, because the evil white man is after you.

Seems to be the narrative.

I'm trying to fathom why the girlfriend was more interested in FB'ing the video instead of assisting her boyfriend. Further, what transpired before the officer pulled the trigger? There will be conflicting stories. But, at the end of the day, the young man is dead. Should not have happened IMO.

[Mittelwaechter]

Is war between cops and citizens brewing?

Would the slaves at the plantation revolt against the foremen with the whips or against the plantation owner?

Who would be served first?

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm trying to fathom why the girlfriend was more interested in FB'ing the video instead of assisting her boyfriend.

Maybe because the cop had just pumped 4 rounds into her boyfriend. If she had reached over to help him the cop would have interpreted it as she was going for her BF's gun and shot her too.

[mapuc]

This story makes me sad, sad that 5 Innocent policemen had to pay with they life.

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