Prince... just died.

[danasan]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Tell us how you really feel, Skybird.

He must have been sitting in front of a mirror.........


All those I loved have passed away in 2016, what a year! And it is not over yet.

R.I.P Marianne, David, The Artist Former Known As Prince, Hans Dietrich Genscher...

[Onkel Neal]

Show some class, skybird.

[Platapus]

They are dropping like flies

This one only 57 years old. That ain't old.

De mortuis nihil nisi bonum

I never knew him, but I can still respect and be saddened by his passing.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Show some class, skybird.

Do yourself, Neal.

I stayed, mostly, silent when there were threads on Michael Jackson, Witney Houston, they had some musical strengths but all in all are not really amongst mankind's - or art's - greatest known names and will be forgotten in a hundred years; regarding Amy Whinehouse I really bit my lips considering what I really thought; I stayed silent on David Bowie since I found him sympathetic after a long TV biography about him many years ago, and liked at least his intense performance in Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence at least - his musical work is overrated, however.

But always seeing dilettantes being hyped and crocodile tears being shed over their departures is no nice experience, and is frustrating, and it is unfair, because there are so many really talented and really skilful musicians of many different genres and other artists out there who are or were capable of so much more class and skill, but just did not or do not get talked about because they lack(ed) the media lobby and the wide class-less audience that knows - and often knows nothing - about quality in this or that arts - and that is the far greater lack of class here than me calling a dead man as what he really was: a hopelessly overrated peacock so much in love with himself that I know no cure for this syndrome - and who was, in the end, a dilettante craving for validation who knew not half as much about making music as the world now claims him to have known.

You devalue and and offend musicians and artists who are so incredibly much more better than this peacock ever was, if you think dying is a value in itself and death reserves the deceased person the right to claim merits he did not justify in life, at least not by the outcomes of his chosen profession. If you compare a random limmerick to Shakespeare, you offend Shakespeare. Popularity is no indication for quality, I have learned already a long time ago. The taste of the masses all too often misleads you.

I prefer to give credit were it is due - and to give not were such compliments would go at the damage of people doing so much better. To die is no accomplishment healing the failures of a person's life. No personal friends or relatives are present here. No offence is being done. And this "man" was acting in public like a carricature of a man. Being a man myself, I take offence from this clown.

No loss there that is beyond the family's circle. And the family - is not here.

And u crank, music is not completely an issue of taste, it has a basis in mathematics, in harmonics, and in capabilities of people doing it. This guy especially lacked the voice to sing. He yelled or whimpered, he had no volume and no voice fundament. His arranegment are said to innovative, I see them as opportunistic and clueless. Respect the dead, you say. I would have said nothing if he died and media would have left it to it. But the headlines scream "one of the greatest musicians/artists/younameit". Simple truth is - he wasn't. And as I said: dying is no achievement.

So that's what happens when people get old and bitter...

[Buddahaid]

Biting my tongue. What a load of self righteous drivel.

[Kixa]

No more if you'd be so kind.

Originally Posted by Kixa

Prince.. frigid.. symbol or Prince, but he is what is prince/symbol.. or something, what theres is left.. fk Madonnna

Call an ambulance, you probably had a stroke.

[flostt]

Skybird, you should go into the brig for a few days, have you been drinking?

....you could have been a bit more subtle on this topic....music is a matter of taste, no need to start flaming around....

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by flostt

have you been drinking?

Such as that would be the case, but nay, tis his normal demeanour.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Do yourself, Neal.

I stayed, mostly, silent when there were threads on Michael Jackson, Witney Houston,blaaaaaaaaahhhhh.

I bet you're a lot of fun at a party.

And Kixa, stop spamming this thread.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And u crank, music is not completely an issue of taste....

That is not what I said. I said everybody has different tastes in music. That taste is an opinion. Opinions vary.

..it has a basis in mathematics, in harmonics, and in capabilities of people doing it.

There is much more to music and the appreciation of it than that. Music is not science. There is an aspect of it that cannot be readily defined by the analytical mind. That part of this appreciation can vary widely. Those who say their taste is better than others are musical snobs plain and simple. Tell me what you like and I'll pass judgment on your taste.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by u crank

That is not what I said. I said everybody has different tastes in music. That taste is an opinion. Opinions vary.



There is much more to music and the appreciation of it than that. Music is not science. There is an aspect of it that cannot be readily defined by the analytical mind. That part of this appreciation can vary widely. Those who say their taste is better than others are musical snobs plain and simple. Tell me what you like and I'll pass judgment on your taste.

I can't really say it better than that. Skybird, U crank and others are simply saying have respect for those that have just passed and have respect for the opinions of others as well. I agree with them.

I agree with you in that I didn't particularly care for his music and I'm free to like the music I like, as you and everyone else is as well. as my uncle would say, " If we all liked the same thing, the world would run out of Chocolate Ice Cream.

Prince was a gifted musician and producer in addition to being innovative in his approach to music. Innovation and taking chances and risks are what make music great. People are simply saying observe some decorum.

[Torplexed]

While not a super-fan, I always liked Prince. He was a artist who could do pretty much anything in any genre. He was a guy who broke all boundaries, had a multi-racial band which had men and women on an even playing field. This is a guy who brought out music almost every year, sometimes more than one album a year. Maybe a bit pretentious and aloof at times, but I can't doubt his talent and dedication to his craft.

If you put Prince in a room with some instruments he could produce an album alone. If you had put Michael Jackson in the same room he might come up with some vocals, but without substantial back-up help, no music.

RIP, the Purple One.

[vienna]

The local news outlets have been all over the story today. Something that has been happening, and that is rather unique, is the surprising number of studio musicians, engineers, and producers who have made public statements about Prince, all of them describing his generosity toward the musicians and staff at recording sessions and his very great sense of humor. It is surprising, not only in the quantity of the comments, but in how rare here in Los Angeles, arguably the recording mecca of the world, it is for studio personnel to actively comment at all on the passing of a major recording star. There is an almost unspoken code of silence regarding what goes on in the studios. Prince was known to require an NDA from those who worked with or for him, hence very little was ever heard of the behind-the-scenes activities in his sessions. Now those who worked closely with him are saying, to a person, he was nothing less than a consummate professional and gracious presence in the studio. One musician, a well-known and respected bass player who had worked sessions over many years for some of the very biggest names told of how, when he met Prince, the first questions Prince asked were about how it was like to work with all those famous names, particularly Barbara Streisand. There was none of the sort of "me, me, me" you so often find in lesser talents. It says a lot about someone when those who have worked with a person hold not only his talent in high regard, but also his ability to make a human connection with others he worked with...

There used to be a rather famous recording studio studio here in Hollywood, about three blocks from my home. The studio is now gone, torn down to make room for a strip mall. Prince loved the studio and would very often book out an entire day or several days to record. When the studio closed, the owners were interviewed and, when asked about Prince, the told of how he would stay in the studio, all by himself, and play all the instruments and sing all the vocals. The studio provided an engineer, usually the owner or his wife, but Prince also did all the engineering work and the mixing, so all they really had to do was keep the tape rolling and provide Prince with anything he might need for his work. They also said he was very polite and always thanked the owners for their assistance; he was a model client...

Something else a lot of the general public does not know is the extent of his generosity towards various causes and people. A radio DJ here in LA told of the time when a legendary, pioneering, and very loved station was sold and the new owners decided to go from a rock format to a "slow jazz" format. There was a grassroots effort to try to change the new owner's decision; Prince called up, out of the blue, and offered to organize a benefit concert to try to raise awareness and money to save the station. He was the first to offer and, shamefully for the other major rock stars who make LA their home, just about the only one who did anything proactively about the situation...

When Prince came through LA with his Purple Rain tour, I was lucky enough to see what was a truly amazing show; besides Prince, the bill included the Sheila E Band and members of The Time. Even more amazing than the show was what Prince did in the afternoon before the show: at Prince's expense, buses were sent to inner city schools in LA, where students could never have afforded the price of a ticket, and the students were taken to the LA Forum where Prince and the other acts put on a free complete show for the students. Little was known about it at the time because Prince banned the press from the event and used his clout to secure the silence of the reporters. This, I learned later, was something he did at many other places and times in is career. Add to this his many, many shows done to aid charities and raise money for the arts and a more complete picture emerges than is seen in the media reports; and, remember, when he did those acts, it wasn't for the PR or photo-op or pat on the back, he did it because it meant something to him on a personal level...

Prince was an amazing talent, a musician in every sense of the word, someone who could express himself in funk, rock, soul, blues, jazz, hip hop, R&B, and just about any other genre he set his sights on. The world of music is less now he is gone and, for those to whom he extended his generosity, the world is even more so...

RIP, Prince...


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