Test your patience

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

It's an interesting video and I'm wondering how accurate the depiction is as some have speculated based on survivor's accounts that the Titanic broke in half before it sank.

The ship breaks in two in the video as well.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Dowly

The ship breaks in two in the video as well.

Right. However, some eyewitness accounts have said it broke up before it sank, other eyewitness accounts say it sank in one piece. It has been theorized that if it did sink in one piece, trapped air may have caused an implosion resulting in the ship breaking apart while under water and now resting with the stern separated from the bow.

[Oberon]

I was always under the impression, until recent times, that the ship broke in two at a fracture point underneath the surface, however I will give the developers of this video and game their due, they have done an ungodly amount of research into the Titanic, so I am inclined to follow their version of events, and indeed, this paper supports this:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...ally-break-up/

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I was always under the impression, until recent times, that the ship broke in two at a fracture point underneath the surface, however I will give the developers of this video and game their due, they have done an ungodly amount of research into the Titanic, so I am inclined to follow their version of events, and indeed, this paper supports this:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...ally-break-up/

" ... and engineers, like scientists, must always be prepared to deal with new evidence that may force us to discard our previous concepts and embrace new ones.

But we also hope that in the absence of such evidence, our work will be respected. If there is to be a debate over the validity of our work, we hope that it will take place in open scientific and professional forums, and that the outcome of the debate will be determined in the best tradition of scientific inquiry."

So bad that such a good disposition is not allowed for some particular subjects ... But political ideologies are above the truth ...

[Oberon]

....getting back on topic...

[Fahnenbohn]

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Oberon

....getting back on topic...

And the topic is testing your patience. Well......

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

And the topic is testing your patience. Well......

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Right. However, some eyewitness accounts have said it broke up before it sank, other eyewitness accounts say it sank in one piece. It has been theorized that if it did sink in one piece, trapped air may have caused an implosion resulting in the ship breaking apart while under water and now resting with the stern separated from the bow.

I would say that the ship started to break apart on the surface. I find it hard to believe that about a dozen survivors would testify seeing the ship break up, if it didn't.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I would say that the ship started to break apart on the surface. I find it hard to believe that about a dozen survivors would testify seeing the ship break up, if it didn't.

I feel the same as you. I had posted in the forum a ways back that when I was in college, a friend was in law school and the professor staged a " crime " of some sort. The law class he was teaching witnessed this " crime " as well.

Afterwards, the class was directed to write down what they saw. My friend told me that the accounts varied widely.

The point was that you can have a number of people and to a degree, they will all see something different. I'm sure JimBuna, being in law enforcement, has probably seen the same thing. I'm also sure the expeditions by Ballard and others to Titanic was in part to scientifically confirm those accounts of the survivors.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

The point was that you can have a number of people and to a degree, they will all see something different.

Oh I agree. Eyewitness accounts can be extremely unreliable, especially the one's taken in everyday setting.

[mapuc]

First time I heard about Titanic was when I was a young boy. Someone told me about the ship and how it hit an iceberg and went down. Later I borrowed some books in the library and was fascinated about the story and the black and white pictures-Forgive me I was just a little young lad-didn't really understand how people may have suffered before they died.

It was in one of these books I read about the possibility that the ship may have broken in half before it went down. Not in other books or documentaries about this ship and its disaster

We jump ahead some years-It was a Sunday. After the news on the Danish TV-there was a dramatization of a hearing that was held after the disaster.

The Movie Titanic-Some of the scenes made my wonder-'cause I could not recall there had been fired shot in the air etc.(or is it me who have forgot it in all these years)

I know that they had made a lots and a lots of research before making the film.

Markus

[Dowly]

Cameron's Titanic got a lot right, but what I didn't like was how Cameron chose to use his own personal opinion of what happened in the film (for example, Murdoch's suicide).

As for shots fired, 5th officer Lowe did fire his revolver as can be seen from the British Inquiry records:

15855. There is just another thing I want to ask you. Did you use a revolver at all?
- I did.

15856. How was that?
- It was because while I was on the boat deck just as they had started to lower, two men jumped into my boat. I chased one out and to avoid another occurrence of that sort I fired my revolver as I was going down each deck, because the boat would not stand a sudden jerk. She was loaded already I suppose with about 64 people on her, and she would not stand any more.

Survivors say Murdoch and Lightoller used their revolvers as well, but that is hard to prove. Lightoller himself has said the revolver he had was not loaded.

Btw, some amazing person uploaded the full interview with Lightoller to youtube recorded in 1936: