Who Started World War II?

Originally Posted by Oberon

Still....could be worse:
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[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Still....could be worse:

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[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Are you trying to make me abandon ? Are you afraid of hearing other disturbing stories ? ...

I remind you that it's not me who decided to start this thread, English is not my native language. Otherwise, I may just publish documents in French ...

I do not consider myself obliged to spend all my free time to translate those documents. This will be done, but not within the time limit.

And again, I don't see any reason to close this thread ...

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On the contrary......follow the suggestion as suggested below by another thread contributor:

Let me offer a suggestion. Why don't you write up your 2nd translation in Google Docs and just stick the link here. That way, we can see you working as you translate and we can immediately offer our suggestions and comments to the parts that are finished.

Or do as you suggest and publish them in French.

You have been advised well in advance of the time constraints and of my intention regarding the longevity of this thread.

[razark]

I'd suggest you select your single best argument and present the reasoning and evidence. Slowly dripping out pages of a document isn't going to advance your case at all.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

You have been advised well in advance of the time constraints and of my intention regarding the longevity of this thread.

But with an ultimatum of one week ...

I think rather than I will publish it in french, with an english synthesis.

[MaDef]

I think you mean "synopsis" rather than "synthesis".

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

But with an ultimatum of one week ...

I'm always ready to see another point of view, and believe nothing should be sacred, but the thing is, you must know that you are pushing a topic so controversial you will be fighting ten to one and that many moderators would be happy to just find a convenient pretext to shut this all down (and not many would blame them).

Given this, the least you could have done is to have a good bit of proof lined up in this board's language (English) before you even wrote your first sentence. But you didn't. If you didn't prepare, you have to expect to lose.

If you really don't like my Google Docs idea ... well, I don't see any reason why this must be pushed through this year and this year only. Your chances of getting somewhere likely won't be hurt if you spent this year preparing and coming with a nice concentrated fist around the same time ... oh, next year?

Just my two cents.

I must also show my appreciation to the excellent moderation we are getting on this board. It is on days like this when the differences in moderation quality really show

[Fahnenbohn]

@ Kazuaki Shimazaki II : Thank you for your kind message.

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

Given this, the least you could have done is to have a good bit of proof lined up in this board's language (English) before you even wrote your first sentence. But you didn't. If you didn't prepare, you have to expect to lose.

As I already said, I didn't open this thread, and this has never been my wish. Sailor Steve forced me to do, because he wanted to know my arguments. That's all.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

As I already said, I didn't open this thread, and this has never been my wish. Sailor Steve forced me to do, because he wanted to know my arguments. That's all.

No, you didn't open this thread. What you did, though, was to post off-topic in a game thread, stating that the war was entirely Britain's fault. When someone disagreed with you and it turned into an ongoing argument, I moved it to General Topics.

Therefore you did indeed start this fight, and now seem to want to blame it on someone else. This sounds familiar.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Therefore you did indeed start this fight, and now seem to want to blame it on someone else. This sounds familiar.

I don't blame you. I'm just saying what happened. I'm pleased to expose my arguments, but I didn't plan to open a debate.

[Fahnenbohn]

[Dowly]

May I ask that this thread is not closed. Fahnenbohn has provided evidence as asked. There still might be some discussion left.

As for Oberon's Holocaust memorial day, we are not talking about the Holocaust in this thread, so I see no reason to close the thread because of it.

That's just my opinion.

[Fahnenbohn]

So, World War II could have been avoided. If Poland would have not rejected all Hitler's negociation proposals, then war against Poland would never have taken place. But even after the German troops entered in Poland, peace was still possible, and the Britain and French politicians knew that : Hitler has always been ready for peaceful solutions. But for Britain, it was the proper moment for declaring war on Germany without appearing to be the aggressor. This war was not declared to save Poland, but to annihilate the German Third Reich. Who took advantage of this war except the guns manufacturers and international speculators ?



Hitler wanted peace for Europe.

[Jimbuna]

Thanks for your efforts in coming to your conclusion. There are 21 hours for people to respond if they care to.

[HunterICX]

Conclussion: Cutting sentences, conveniently ignoring evidence and facts to fit your view and claiming that there is some grand allied plot that is out there to destroy German credibility by manufacturing the History as we know it.

*sigh* I've seen more plausible items on the History Channel.

Could go more into Depth but I can conclude out of the previous back and forth arguments in this thread where many pointed out some errors in your statements you simply choise to ignore them, nothing much changed apart from the fact that the same claims are just put down into a opinionated biased documents which again proof nothing.

Hitler wanted peace?
His Book tells otherwise, his speeches tells otherwise and his actions tells otherwise.