Iranians at it again

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by HW3

They know our present leader will not do anything except apologize for the USS Truman being there, and give them whatever they want to make up for it.

Oh nuts.

[Betonov]

Iran is on a good road to modernise themselves, open to the west and loose the ''wannabe tough guy'' image.
This was just a show for their own population. The decades of anti-west rhetorics made quite a few hawks in their own ranks and they need to see some good ol' fashioned propaganda to keep them from actively changing open policies that Irans economy needs.

Just ignore them.
Unless you want Iran to turn into another islamic hellhole, then go ahead, bomb them and let the hawks and imams gain back power that they've been slowly loosing in the last years.

[Catfish]

Well Iraq attacked Iran back then, if anyone remembers the (back then) good friend of the USA Saddam Hussein, when he was told to lead a US proxy war against Iran.
The tide only turned when Saddam threatened Saudi Arabia, another good friend of the West, especially well known for 9/11 and the IS.
Then the Media told our brave citizens that Saddam now had weapons of mass destruction, threatened the whole world and was responsible for 9/11.
Ah.

And after what has happened in iran from 1900 until the Shah and Ajatollah Chomeini, who was a reaction to the West's ..errm.. "influence" (lmao) i really wonder how Iran could ever forgive anyone, in the West. The US sure would not.

Cut them a bit slack. Most Iranians i have met in England and Germany are rather modern and open-minded, often also well-educated. The religious nutjobs will lose influence, as soon as the iranian citizens have contact to the world, and some better life again.

I'd be more concerned of Iraq, and the mess we created there. After all, most IS commanders are former members of the iraquian army and Iraq's secret service. I wonder where they got those ideas from.

[Jimbuna]

I think most importantly...

the Iranian navy announced over maritime radio that it was about to conduct a live-fire exercise and asked other vessels to remain clear.
After the warning, the rockets were fired from a position about 1,500 yards off the carrier's starboard side and in a direction away from passing coalition and commercial ships and the traffic lane, the official said. The rockets were not fired at the Truman and other ships, only near them.

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

if anyone remembers the (back then) good friend of the USA Saddam Hussein, when he was told to lead a US proxy war against Iran.

That is just not true although I think you already knew that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...%80%93Iraq_war

Although it is widely believed in the Middle East that the United States gave Saddam Hussein a "green light" to invade Iran, available evidence suggests that this allegation is completely lacking in foundation and also improbable due to the danger it would have presented for the American hostages still held in Iran. According to Iran expert Mark G. Gasiorowski and former CIA Middle East analyst Bruce Riedel, the lack of any diplomatic relations between the U.S. and Iraq at the time would have made it difficult for the U.S. to convey any such message to Saddam's government, but if it had, "Saddam would not have listened." Former U.S. assistant secretary of state Thomas Pickering stated: "As opposed to 1990, there was no April Glaspie moment—there was no clear indication we know of from a reliable source that Saddam might have interpreted as a green light ... if there was such a moment, we should ask why the Iraqis didn't come forward and say 'Carter made us do it.'"Moreover, in 1979, CIA official George Cave led a mission to warn Iranian officials about U.S. intelligence regarding Iraq's preparation for an invasion. Although there is some evidence that Brzezinski may have seen the outbreak of the war as a pretext to justify increased U.S. involvement in the region, Gary Sick cites a declassified memo from Brzeinski to Carter that "argued for 'Iran's survival' and held out the possibility of secret negotiations with Tehran" as disproving "the unfortunate conventional wisdom that Brzezinski promoted the Iraqi invasion." Former Iranian president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani explained his view on the matter in 2008: "I have said before that I do not believe that America directly played a role in starting the war. I don't believe any sane person could possibly subscribe to this view. Rather, I believe that America was happy with the outbreak of war against Iran, and perhaps even played an indirect role in bringing it about." In sum, "The United States did not give a 'green light' to Saddam Hussein to attack Iran, contrary to prevailing opinion in Iran and throughout the Middle East. The United States and other permanent members of the UN Security Council, did, however, implicitly ratify the attack after the fact by refusing to condemn the Iraqis".

[Catfish]

^ hmm, i do not agree with this Wikipedia article, also read the "talk" section of this.. Saddam Hussein never did anything without informing the USA first. It is just that the last time the US response to his announcement could be read like Pythia's oracle.

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ hmm, i do not agree with this Wikipedia article, also read the "talk" section of this.. Saddam Hussein never did anything without informing the USA first. It is just that the last time the US response to his announcement could be read like Pythia's oracle.

Believe what you want, you will anyways, but remember this is the Carter White House you're talking about here. He could barely order our own people into harms way at Desert One to rescue our hostages let alone order another country to start a huge war with it's neighbor.

[eddie]

I don't want us to get into a war with Iran, but in a case like this, a small mistake on either sides part could lead to much bigger problems.

Originally Posted by August

Believe what you want, you will anyways, but remember this is the Carter White House you're talking about here. He could barely order our own people into harms way at Desert One to rescue our hostages let alone order another country to start a huge war with it's neighbor.

An interesting viewpoint.
Now forgive me if my memory is fuzzy but wasn't the order to cancel the messed up operation made by your president at the request of his military commanders?
So are you saying that your president was so hawkish that he had difficulty cancelling the operation after the military had said it was somewhat screwed at Desert One?