Subron's

[J0313]

I have never been able to find any comprehensive lists or documentation on which suborns were where in ww2. Does anyone have any info on this? I know that suborn 4 and 5 where in Pearl but that's all I know.

[aanker]

Try doing a search for, "submarine squadrons and divisions WWII"

There were Submarine Divisions as well as Squadrons (Subron's)

Many results, also, a virtual trip to your library may be productive once you find books about operations. My library will order books from other regional, State, and national library's if they don't have the books I want.

Then, there is Amazon & Google books, sites like that, and don't forget submarine museums.

Good luck sailor.

Happy Hunting!

[J0313]

Originally Posted by aanker

Try doing a search for, "submarine squadrons and divisions WWII"

There were Submarine Divisions as well as Squadrons (Subron's)

Many results, also, a virtual trip to your library may be productive once you find books about operations. My library will order books from other regional, State, and national library's if they don't have the books I want.

Then, there is Amazon & Google books, sites like that, and don't forget submarine museums.

Good luck sailor.

Happy Hunting!

I already did a search on Google and didn't find much, thanks. I'm not interested in divisions since a ship could change divisions frequently due to the tactical situation, losses etc.

[aanker]

Sorry, it's going to take some creative digging:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_squadron

Plug these in one by one would be my approach.

If you're lucky you may stumble on a spreadsheet.

[aanker]

Here you are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_squadron
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"A SUBRON usually consists of three or more submarines. It is the submarine force equivalent to a Destroyer Squadron in the surface Navy. The officer in charge of SUBRON ONE is designated Commander Submarine Squadron One or COMSUBRON ONE. However, unlike a destroyer squadron—which actually moves its staff aboard its ships and deploys with them as an operational Task Element commander—a SUBRON commander and his staff always remain in homeport, and are responsible only for the training, equipping and administering of the ships under its umbrella. A submarine squadron is usually commanded by a Captain (O-6) who has already had at least one tour as commander of a submarine. Up until World War II and possibly afterwards, submarine squadrons could have several Submarine Divisions (SubDivs), often pairs of submarines."

- - - - - - A good Table here:

http://www.fleetorganization.com/sub...ommanders.html
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Squadron Commanders

"Clay Blair provides a list of assigned Squadron Commanders as an appendix in Silent Victory"

"Please note that during the war Squadrons were purely administrative in nature, and squadron commanders did not control the operations of the boats assigned to them."

Squadrons - SUBRON's:
SUBRON 1, SUBRON 2, SUBRON 3, SUBRON 4, SUBRON 5, SUBRON 6, SUBRON 7, SUBRON 8, SUBRON 10, SUBRON 12, SUBRON 13, SUBRON 14, SUBRON 16, SUBRON 17, SUBRON 20, SUBRON 22, SUBRON 24, SUBRON 26, SUBRON 28, SUBRON 30, SUBRON 32, SUBRON 34, SUBRON 36, SUBRON 45, SUBRON 50

The table listing the Subrons lists commanders, and a little more digging will tell you 'which were where'.

Happy Hunting!

[J0313]

Originally Posted by aanker

Here you are:
- - - - - - A good Table here:
The table listing the Subrons lists commanders, and a little more digging will tell you 'which were where'.

Happy Hunting!

Thank you aanker. I had already looked at the sight showing the suborn commanders. I cant believe that there isn't a list on Wikipedia. I am interested in finging out which squadrons were assigned where during the war. I suppose I will have to do it the way you suggested and maybe search each commander or something buy name.

[Aktungbby]

HEY I looked all that up too but couldn't come up with any thing 'definitive' and lo: help arrives from an unseen quarter this AM... http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2360560#post2360560 I've got a good handle on Subron 5's location at least

[aanker]

Nice find,

Whenever I needed "Silent Victory" I went to the library.... that will teach me for being so cheap. I wonder how much he has in the Appendix - or if the Table already has everything - and that is all there is.

I have a couple friends who have "Silent Victory" and other books, I will shoot off a few emails and see what I get.

We all know where SUBRON 50 was .... lol .... Holy Loch, in Scotland.

[aanker]

Any further steps will probably be through the endorsements in the patrol reports themselves. At least they are all online.

Info below from the internet and "Silent Victory":

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WW II SUBRON's:
SUBRON 1, SUBRON 2, SUBRON 3, SUBRON 4, SUBRON 5, SUBRON 6, SUBRON 7, SUBRON 8, SUBRON 10, SUBRON 12, SUBRON 13, SUBRON 14, SUBRON 16, SUBRON 17, SUBRON 20, SUBRON 22, SUBRON 24, SUBRON 26, SUBRON 28, SUBRON 30, SUBRON 32, SUBRON 34, SUBRON 36, SUBRON 45, SUBRON 50

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(Info below dotted ( .....) lines from:
"Sillent Victory"
Appendix A
World War II Submarine Squadron Commanders, Pacific
(Odd numbered squadrons, far fewer in number, were stationed in the Atlantic)

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SUBRON 1
Submarine Squadron One was first established in May 1941 at New London, Connecticut. There were originally nineteen submarines in the squadron. On October 1, 1945, Submarine Squadron One moved to the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii and has remained there ever since.

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SUBRON 2
Submarine Squadron 2 began in October 1945 when the squadron was established at Naval Submarine Base, New London, under the command of Capt. L. S. Parks.
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(merged with Four)
James Fife, (class of 1918)
Charles Bowers Momsen (1919)

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SUBRON 3
Submarine Squadron 3 was first established on November 25, 1930 at Coco Solo in the Panama Canal Zone.[2] One of its first submarines was the R-1 built in 1917. Her ten boats conducted Panama Sea Frontier patrols for the Atlantic Fleet. As tensions grew through the Thirties, Squadron Three's mission evolved into the defense of coastal regions on both ends of the canal. Most of Squadron Three's submarines shifted to the Pacific end of the canal when war broke out.

As the Second World War progressed, most of the squadron's submarines were transferred to more active regions, leaving only four subs in Squadron Three by August 1943. By May 1945, there were no submarines left in the squadron; only the rescue vessel USS Mallard (AM 44) and three destroyers remained.

Squadron Three was deactivated July 1, 1945

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SUBRON 4
Captain Freeland A. Daubin who was in command during the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941.
On 13 January 1943, the command of Submarine Base Pearl Harbor and Submarine Squadron 4 were separated, due to the demands on each command by war time operations. As a result, Captain C. D. Edmunds relieved Captain J. H. Brown, Jr., as commanding officer of the submarine base. Captain Brown retained the command of the squadron. The commanding officer of the submarine base continued under the squadron commander until October 1945
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John Herbert Brown, 1914
William Vincent O'Regen. 1923
Edward S Hutchinson

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SUBRON 5
Cavite, Philippine Is
SubDiv14, SubDiv17, SubDiv10
Brisbane
Subron 5 (1945)in Guam

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SUBRON 6
SUBRON SIX had its beginning as SUBRON SIXTEEN. As the war progressed, SUBRON SIXTEEN continued to add to its share of the more than five million tons of Japanese shipping sunk by U.S. submarines.

With the end of the war in the Pacific came the need to relocate an immense naval organization and to begin the transition to peacetime operations.

Accordingly, SUBRON SIXTEEN sailed from the Pacific via the Panama Canal to New London, Connecticut. Less than three months later SUBRON SIXTEEN left New London, Connecticut, as SUBRON SIX enroute to its new homeport of Balboa, Canal Zone, Panama. During the transit the units of SUBRON SIX, spent the month of December 1945 at Staten Island, New York
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(Returned to New London)
Allen Rockwell McCann, 1917
Charles Dixon Edmunds, 1920

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SUBRON 7
Submarine Squadron SEVEN was first established during the Second World War, organized with two submarine divisions (COMSUBDIVs 71 and 72), whose mission was to conduct anti-submarine warfare (ASW) training. The command was homeported in Bermuda during the latter part of 1942 and consisted mostly of older R- and S- boats. In April 1943, the Operational Training Command, Atlantic Fleet was established with Rear Admiral D. B. Berry in charge.

Operational control of Submarine Squadron Seven was shifted
from the Commandant Naval Operating Base, Bermuda, to Commander Operational Training Command. Late in 1943 two Free French submarines were made available for the Training Command under United States supervision. Five more were added in 1944. After the invasion of Sicily and the landing at Anzio in January 1944, five Italian submarines came across the Atlantic in February 1944 and were assigned to ASW Training Command. These foreign submarines were assigned by COMSUBLANT to Submarine Squadron SEVEN. The French and Italian submarines were excellent for training purposes due to their heavy hull construction and they made good substitutes for the newly commissioned U.S. Navy submarines rerouted to the Pacific for combat duty. With the curtailment of the escort program, the activity at Bermuda was no longer needed and was transferred to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Following cessation of hostilities in the Pacific, Submarine Squadron SEVEN was disestablished in 1945
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SUBRON 8
Atlantic Fleet
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(Merged with Ten)
Clifford Harris Roper, 1916
William Merrill Downes, 1920
George Edmund Peterson, 1924

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SUBRON 10
On 7 December 1941 the ships of the squadron were in Pearl Harbor or the surrounding area. Immediately after the attack, plans were made to begin the first patrols of the War. In March 1943, USS Tautog and COMSUBRON10 were sent to Brisbane, Australia to meet up with six S-boats from the Canal Zone along with the tender USS Griffin (AS-13) to form Task Force 42. For the next fourteen months, through May 1943, this group participated in the action around the Solomon Islands.

USS Wahoo's Fifth War Patrol Report was forwarded by Commander, Submarine Squadron Ten to ComSubPac at San Francisco, California, on May 22, 1943.
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Charles Wilkes Styer, 1917
Charles Frederick Erck, 1921
George Lucius Russell, 1921
George Edmond Peterson, 1924

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SUBRON 12
Key West Florida and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
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John Bradford Griggs, 1918
Charles Warren Wilkins, 1924

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SUBRON 13

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SUBRON 14
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John Bailey Longstaff, 1920
Warren Dudley Wilkin, 1924

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SUBRON 16
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John Meade Haines, 1917
Willis Ashford Lent, 1925

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SUBRON 17

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SUBRON 18
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Eliot Hinman Bryant, 1918
Stanley Page Moseley, 1925

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SUBRON 20
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Leo Leander Pace, 1921
Lewis Smith Parks, 1925

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SUBRON 22
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Joseph Anthony Connolly, 1921
Edward S. Hutchinson, 1926

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SUBRON 24
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George Clifford Crawford, 1921
Frank Wesley Fenno, 1925

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SUBRON 26
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Leon Joseph Huffman, 1922
Barton Elijah Bacon Jr. 1925

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SUBRON 28
Pearl Harbor
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John Mylin Will, 1923
Joseph Harris Willingham, 1926

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SUBRON 30
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Karl Goldsmith Hensel, 1923
Chester Carl Smith, 1925

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SUBRON 32
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Kenneth Charles Hurd, 1925

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SUBRON 34
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Elton Watters Grenfell, 1926

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SUBRON 36
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Jesse Lyle Hull, 1926

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SUBRON 45

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SUBRON 50
- Holy Loch, Scotland

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[J0313]

Originally Posted by aanker

Any further steps will probably be through the endorsements in the patrol reports themselves. At least they are all online.

Info below from the internet and "Silent Victory":

This is awesome annker! Just what I was looking for! Many thanks.