US to station new nuclear arms in Germany.

Betonov · 09-23-15, 03:16 PM

I wish we had another Tito.
He had the common sense to unalign us and keep us out of the BS of the cold war.

Respenus · 09-23-15, 03:27 PM

Playing the devil's advocate here, but the USA has "always" had nuclear weapons on German soil. It was to be a front line state in case the Cold War got hot and while this is no longer the case, the bombs were never removed. What has happened is that the US's new toys, the W61-12, got delivered for service in Germany. On the grand scale of things, gravity bombs with only a maximum yield of 50kt are not something that should cause distress to any of the nuclear parties.

Of course, with the current rhetoric being what it is, anything can be taken as provocation (like Russia moving Iskanders and Backfires to Crimea).

Betonov · 09-23-15, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Respenus

Playing the devil's advocate here...

True that. But I'd preffer if they'd start dissmantling the bloody things.

Catfish · 09-23-15, 04:10 PM

Seems the 'weirdos' are right, Germany is not a sovereign state.
Maggie T. tried to undermine the reunification of Germany all the time but could not prevent it (thanks again), but this reunification came at the price of some old post war papers being still in effect. The US can basically do anything here, and we can protest against it as much as we want, to no effect

Platapus · 09-23-15, 04:25 PM

The concept of "nuclear sharing" has been contentious ever since the formation of the NPT.

In my opinion it is an example of following the letter of the treaty while at the same time deliberately violating the intent of the treaty.

It is the position of the United States that if a state of war comes to be, the NPT is immediately invalidated so there could not be any violation in times of war. So our nuclear sharing program is simply preparing for the time when the NPT becomes void.

The following is an interesting article discussing how the concept of nuclear sharing was introduced in the deliberations and negotiations of the NPT.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150128...n-Donnelly.htm

09-23-15, 03:27 PM	#2
Respenus Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,169 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Playing the devil's advocate here, but the USA has "always" had nuclear weapons on German soil. It was to be a front line state in case the Cold War got hot and while this is no longer the case, the bombs were never removed. What has happened is that the US's new toys, the W61-12, got delivered for service in Germany. On the grand scale of things, gravity bombs with only a maximum yield of 50kt are not something that should cause distress to any of the nuclear parties. Of course, with the current rhetoric being what it is, anything can be taken as provocation (like Russia moving Iskanders and Backfires to Crimea). __________________

09-23-15, 04:10 PM	#4
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,819 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Seems the 'weirdos' are right, Germany is not a sovereign state. Maggie T. tried to undermine the reunification of Germany all the time but could not prevent it (thanks again), but this reunification came at the price of some old post war papers being still in effect. The US can basically do anything here, and we can protest against it as much as we want, to no effect __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

09-23-15, 04:25 PM	#5
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,427 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	The concept of "nuclear sharing" has been contentious ever since the formation of the NPT. In my opinion it is an example of following the letter of the treaty while at the same time deliberately violating the intent of the treaty. It is the position of the United States that if a state of war comes to be, the NPT is immediately invalidated so there could not be any violation in times of war. So our nuclear sharing program is simply preparing for the time when the NPT becomes void. The following is an interesting article discussing how the concept of nuclear sharing was introduced in the deliberations and negotiations of the NPT. https://web.archive.org/web/20150128...n-Donnelly.htm __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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09-23-15, 03:16 PM	#1
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	I wish we had another Tito. He had the common sense to unalign us and keep us out of the BS of the cold war.