Another airshow plane crash!

[Stealhead]

I don't think ejection sets are permitted in a civil aircraft even a demilitarized fighter.
The maintainence would be very cost prohibitive ejection seats and related systems require a lot of routine attention. The rocket motors that power the seats is the biggest issue.

Never mind FAA says that you can have functioning seats in a demilitarized aircraft but they must be fully maintained. So at least in the US you can again though I can see it becoming a cost vs need situation.

[Jimbuna]

Terribly tragic...a few of the gang were there but nowhere near the crash site.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Active ejector seats in civvy aircraft aren't allowed in the UK.

There's been a mid-air collision today at Dittigen airshow in Switzerland, one dead and one parachuted to safety.

https://twitter.com/News_Executive/s...559104/photo/1

Not the best weekend in aviation, but far from the worst.

[eddie]

Reports on the news over here are saying a number of people on the ground are unaccounted for and the death toll will go higher. As if it needs to get worse.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Active ejector seats in civvy aircraft aren't allowed in the UK.

There's been a mid-air collision today at Dittigen airshow in Switzerland, one dead and one parachuted to safety.

https://twitter.com/News_Executive/s...559104/photo/1

Not the best weekend in aviation, but far from the worst.

Rgr that

[STEED]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34034430

Looks like 11 dead now.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Active ejector seats in civvy aircraft aren't allowed in the UK.

They are if they're an integral part of the aircraft escape system, in fact it's required for some ex-military aircraft:

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP%206...20Aircraft.pdf

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Oberon

They are if they're an integral part of the aircraft escape system, in fact it's required for some ex-military aircraft:

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP%206...20Aircraft.pdf

Thanks for that. I was always under the impression that was why the Lightning couldn't fly here, turns out I was wrong.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Thanks for that. I was always under the impression that was why the Lightning couldn't fly here, turns out I was wrong.

I think the high rate in which they fell out of the sky has a fair bit to do with it.

[Aktungbby]

Warning: may be distressful: I still remember this baddie(the worst of all?) with 300,000 watching; What with the 2011 Reno airshow (10 dead & the 74 year old pilot) and one at nearby 2014 Travis AFB (jeff-grove saw that one?) The crash did not kill the 77 year old pilot...the fire did. I tend to stay away-too many old-bold pilots having bad days? There has been no apparent regulatory improvements IMHO <Reno: The main culprits, according to the National Transportation Safety Board, were several lock nuts on the left trim tab -- an aerodynamic surface on the horizontal part of the plane's tail -- nuts that had not been replaced in at least 26 years. Rule One: any landing you walk away from is good. Rule Two: My day's pleasant outing SHALL remain so...no airshows!

[Oberon]

One of our members had a son at the Reno race:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=187930

[Herr-Berbunch]

I've been near to a few crashes, all of which I was oblivious to at the time. The first was a three-ship Jag take off at Coltishall, Sqn Cdr, another high ranker, and a relative new guy. The first two took off fine and the third didn't select reheat and clipped the barrier at the northern end of the runway, tried to eject but seat had moved on impact so he didn't make it. That was my first sobering experience of a station losing a pilot. I was in the Alt Operations Centre (the primary being refurbished) when the station crash alarm sounded, at about the time they tested daily - but there was no tannoy prior, and it didn't stop.

The second was at Pristina airfield, the Russian Minister or Defence was flying in to see his troops and his wingtip struck the runway, but was fortunately safe. His flight out was delayed though.

The third, and the closest I'll hopefully ever get to one was at Brize Norton. I was driving to the mess alongside the runway (road vehicles only on this stretch) and the Red Arrows took off right next to me. Well, eight out of nine did. The remaining one suffered a birdstrike and careered off the runway in my direction. 40 seconds later as I parked up the fire crews were running out the mess from lunch. As I looked back the Hawk had ended up right next to where I'd been. I've just had a quick Google for this incident but I can't find any reference to it at all but I swear it happened!

[Admiral Halsey]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Not the best weekend in aviation, but far from the worst.

Quite true and hopefully nothing will ever come close to matching Tenerife.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

Quite true and hopefully nothing will ever come close to matching Tenerife.

Possibly still the costliest (in lives ever). Approximately 20 years ago (mid nineties) my lad was watching a documentary on said disaster on the tv and said "Dad, isn't that where we are going?"

We were booked to go to Tenerife on a family holiday a week or so later.

[Admiral Halsey]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Possibly still the costliest (in lives ever). Approximately 20 years ago (mid nineties) my lad was watching a documentary on said disaster on the tv and said "Dad, isn't that where we are going?"

We were booked to go to Tenerife on a family holiday a week or so later.

It still is the deadliest in lives. Closets that came to it was JAL 123 and it was still 43 short. I hate to say it though but if one of the A380's in a single class configuration ever goes down you could be looking at 853 dead not including crew.