A question about Authoritarianism

The Enigma · 07-22-15, 01:10 PM

The description of what happened in that video is kind of a very short version.

I saw an officer acting very bully to the lady who was (as far as I know) legally in her rights.

He obviously didn't like the way she responded to his requests, but the law applies to all citizen, also to police men.

mapuc · 07-22-15, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Enigma

The description of what happened in that video is kind of a very short version.

I saw an officer acting very bully to the lady who was (as far as I know) legally in her rights.

He obviously didn't like the way she responded to his requests, but the law applies to all citizen, also to police men.

I didn't take that into account and I don't know if my FB-friend was doing the same not taking her rights into account when writting his post.

I admit my knowledge about which rights an American citiziens have is very low.

Markus

Jeff-Groves · 07-22-15, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

I admit my knowledge about which rights an American citiziens have is very low.

You've just passed the first test to be a Cop over here.

mapuc · 07-22-15, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

You've just passed the first test to be a Cop over here.

What !? does it not take more to be a policeman in the States ?

I was talking about these little small laws not the big one, like

Free Speech, free religion a.s.o(first amendment)

And

Second amendment

Markus

vienna · 07-22-15, 01:39 PM

The "full" video was released just a couple of hours ago; I wrote "full" because there is some dispute about just how "full" the video released actually is:

Quote:

The Austin Department of Public Safety released the 52-minute video from the July 10 traffic stop Tuesday night but now says it will release a DVD version of the footage because "some of the video that occurred during this conversation was affected in the upload" to the Internet, spokesman Tom Vinegar said in a statement.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-sand...ry?id=32615846

The video, released as "raw footage" shows some possible signs of looping and or inserts indicating possible editing rather than "raw footage". It is entirely possible the "flaws" are the result of some processing or upload errors (anyone who has done a good deal of video editing knows how artifacts can pop up in the process), so I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the LEOs. However, there is still no excuse for the sort of bullying conduct shown by the officer, in any case...

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Catfish · 07-22-15, 01:35 PM

Has the police the right to demand you put out your cigarette, make you leave the car, treat you like a criminal and incarcerate you, if you did not use the turn signals?

Heard a longer report on the radio today about this. The video is said to have been edited, by the police. And according to friends and relatives it is implausible that she committed suicide.

A bit of trigger-happy, a bit of frustration, a bit of illegal alien thinking, a bit of racism. Altogether this seems to describe perfectly all the latest police infringes we heard about.

Yes i know there are a hundred thousand cases where the police did it right, but of what we hear nothing.

Schroeder · 07-22-15, 01:37 PM

A burning cigarette is actually considered a weapon IIRC.

So yes, they are in their right to ask to put it out.

mapuc · 07-22-15, 01:45 PM

My friends my post was not really about rights it was if the American is more or less anti-authority.

E.g
A person has done something wrong and a police ask the person to step outside the car and this person refuse to do so-just because this person are anti-authority and it escalate.

Or the person haven't done anything wrong and therefor refuse to apply the policemans order.

Edit we can of course discuss this video in this thread.

Markus

Wolferz · 07-22-15, 02:31 PM

If you don't do what a LEO orders you to do, you risk getting your ass kicked.
BUT. always the big but, if the LEO makes a request, you are under no obligation to comply.
Since I was not there to witness this incident, I can neither confirm nor deny who was in the wrong. Though threatening to taser a driver for not putting out a cigarette seems a tad heavy handed. She's lucky she wasn't shot on the spot. Maybe the LEO thought it more prudent to wait until he had her in jail without the camera documenting everything. There are any number of ways around oversight devices.

This country has more than its fair share of criminals and psychopaths and unfortunately some of them made it into the ranks of law enforcement where they do their dirty deeds and get away with it more often than they should.

mapuc · 07-22-15, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

If you don't do what a LEO orders you to do, you risk getting your ass kicked.

As I wrote before if a policeman ask a Danish or a Swedish person to get out of the car about 90-95 % of the people would do so-even if they have or haven't done anything wrong. We are so to say pro-authority

This and my FB-friends post "why didn't this woman do what she was told ?"

which made me make this post asking if the American people is more or less "anti-authority"(maybe there is a better word)

Markus

Joefour · 07-22-15, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

As I wrote before if a policeman ask a Danish or a Swedish person to get out of the car about 90-95 % of the people would do so-even if they have or haven't done anything wrong. We are so to say pro-authority

This and my FB-friends post "why didn't this woman do what she was told ?"

which made me make this post asking if the American people is more or less "anti-authority"(maybe there is a better word)

Markus

All I'm going to say is this: If the men that founded this country came back to life and observed what has become of this country, they would be sharpening their swords and checking the priming in their flintlocks.
Enough said.

Jeff-Groves · 07-22-15, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

which made me make this post asking if the American people is more or less "anti-authority"(maybe there is a better word)

Markus

I respect a LEO as long as he respects my rights.
Given I've been told I can't do things because "I'm a Cop" when I know better?

Also seems to many are Cops just because they were beat up in school and can now be Mr. BadArse with a badge.

Pretty sad that I now have cameras in my trucks and cars to protect me FROM Cops like that.

07-22-15, 01:10 PM	#1
The Enigma Seer of visions Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Under the surface Posts: 2,315 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	The description of what happened in that video is kind of a very short version. I saw an officer acting very bully to the lady who was (as far as I know) legally in her rights. He obviously didn't like the way she responded to his requests, but the law applies to all citizen, also to police men. __________________

07-22-15, 01:35 PM	#6
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,796 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Has the police the right to demand you put out your cigarette, make you leave the car, treat you like a criminal and incarcerate you, if you did not use the turn signals? Heard a longer report on the radio today about this. The video is said to have been edited, by the police. And according to friends and relatives it is implausible that she committed suicide. A bit of trigger-happy, a bit of frustration, a bit of illegal alien thinking, a bit of racism. Altogether this seems to describe perfectly all the latest police infringes we heard about. Yes i know there are a hundred thousand cases where the police did it right, but of what we hear nothing. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-22-15, 01:37 PM	#7
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	A burning cigarette is actually considered a weapon IIRC. So yes, they are in their right to ask to put it out. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

07-22-15, 01:45 PM	#8
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	My friends my post was not really about rights it was if the American is more or less anti-authority. E.g A person has done something wrong and a police ask the person to step outside the car and this person refuse to do so-just because this person are anti-authority and it escalate. Or the person haven't done anything wrong and therefor refuse to apply the policemans order. Edit we can of course discuss this video in this thread. Markus Last edited by mapuc; 07-22-15 at 01:52 PM.

07-22-15, 02:31 PM	#9
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	If you don't do what a LEO orders you to do, you risk getting your ass kicked. BUT. always the big but, if the LEO makes a request, you are under no obligation to comply. Since I was not there to witness this incident, I can neither confirm nor deny who was in the wrong. Though threatening to taser a driver for not putting out a cigarette seems a tad heavy handed. She's lucky she wasn't shot on the spot. Maybe the LEO thought it more prudent to wait until he had her in jail without the camera documenting everything. There are any number of ways around oversight devices. This country has more than its fair share of criminals and psychopaths and unfortunately some of them made it into the ranks of law enforcement where they do their dirty deeds and get away with it more often than they should. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

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