Iran at it again!!

[Betonov]

I don't understand Iranians. Really, they're an enigma of stupidity.

Their tourism rating is climbing the last few years because of their landscape, cultural heritage and a sense of preserving the pre-islam history of the land and they're known as hospitable people. It's like adventurers forced open Iran and found out it's a nice place and tourism would be booming if Iran looses it's ''wannabe tough guy'' image.

But no, let's act like crazy old farmers showing off their muzzle loaders going ''I'll shoot you if you step on my lawn'' Of course 3/4 of the west thinks Iran is like a less backwards clone of Afganistan if they spew anti-west garbage giving people the idea that every tourist will be beheaded there.

God, the idiots. Millions would book tickets there but few dare.

Just re-read the story and this bit caught my eye

"The drills also featured "speedboats equipped with naval radars, electronic communications systems, cruise missiles with a range of 25 kilometers, anti-ship medium-range missiles, medium- and large-caliber torpedoes, sea mines, heavy machine guns, rocket-launchers and shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles," Press TV said. "

With all that onboard those "Speed Boats" they'd be more "Speed Rafts" than boats

[Jimbuna]

The question begs....with those kind of swarm tactics in a narrow area of water, would one or two get through the defences?

[Jeff-Groves]

Iran is good to go when we send cardboard Carriers with no phalanx weapons systems their way.

[ikalugin]

i think this is about saturation. Ie 120km ranged rounds already exist for high end MRL systems, this would allow saturation of any AD system for a reasonable price. After that you could fire actual ship killers.

[Mr Quatro]

Iran and North Korea have the same mindset of hatred against the USA and especially the USN ... I doubt if they will provoke an attack by one of our carrier groups, but they are ready to attack and training to attack any carrier group in their perceived area by using fear tactic's.

The fear is rising up from the leaders to the men to the generals to the final command to launch an attack.

No good can come from this fear training.

Now for my fear is that Israel will take out Iran's nuclear facilities before they can produce weapons grade material to place on a rocket aimed at their country.

Fine with me, but I believe Iran would take it out on the USA and the USN and push them into the corner of at least trying to take out a carrier group passing through their straits.

Bahrain would be a target of choice ...

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Iran is good to go when we send cardboard Carriers with no phalanx weapons systems their way.

Actually the Phalanx system has largely been replaced by a missile system. This of course provides better standoff as it can take out a cruise missile from a greater range it dose have the disadvantage of there not being a radar guided cannon which can take out an attacking small vessel.

Both systems are of course the last layer of defense. Of course they still have M2, M134, M240, Mk19, and what ever the Navy calls the hand operated 25mm Bushmaster cannon. Along with the DD that protect the CV which has entire weapons systems devoted to destroying surface craft. Whichis the biggest falisy of that exercise they just ignore the entire defense network. Not also counting the fixed and helio assets even the Seahawk can carry door gunners.

[Aktungbby]

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Actually the Phalanx system has largely been replaced by a missile system. This of course provides better standoff as it can take out a cruise missile from a greater range it dose have the disadvantage of there not being a radar guided cannon which can take out an attacking small vessel.

Both systems are of course the last layer of defense. Of course they still have M2, M134, M240, Mk19, and what ever the Navy calls the hand operated 25mm Bushmaster cannon. Along with the DD that protect the CV which has entire weapons systems devoted to destroying surface craft. Whichis the biggest falisy of that exercise they just ignore the entire defense network. Not also counting the fixed and helio assets even the Seahawk can carry door gunners.

Off topic

Have read somewhere that these Phalanx and other near defense system could be replaced with Lasers

Markus
End Off topic

[Aktungbby]

Jimbuna:
The question begs....with those kind of swarm tactics in a narrow area of water, would one or two get through the defences?

It does not beg! Van Riper ripped 'em and showed the Iranians 'how to do it' ...and they'll do it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 "...Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. At approximately the same time that Red had located Blue forces, operators of the Blue naval simulation were directed incorrectly to turn off all self-defense capabilities by a senior Naval Officer who was not in command of the simulated forces nor current in the scenario. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that destroyed sixteen warships while the JSAF simulator operators sat and watched without responding defensively or offensively. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected. Again it should be noted, the JSAF simulation did not at that time have the suicide behaviors modeled nor the damage models of interactions of a small boat impacting a ship." Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper; Almost a 'Salamis-style ambush' here will wreak havoc in the Persian Gulf- nothing new here!

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

It does not beg! Van Riper ripped 'em and showed the Iranians 'how to do it' ...and they'll do it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 "...Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. At approximately the same time that Red had located Blue forces, operators of the Blue naval simulation were directed incorrectly to turn off all self-defense capabilities by a senior Naval Officer who was not in command of the simulated forces nor current in the scenario. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that destroyed sixteen warships while the JSAF simulator operators sat and watched without responding defensively or offensively. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected. Again it should be noted, the JSAF simulation did not at that time have the suicide behaviors modeled nor the damage models of interactions of a small boat impacting a ship." Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper; Almost a 'Salamis-style ambush' here will wreak havoc in the Persian Gulf- nothing new here!

I was thinking about the same-not your story, that was new to me.

Those small craft is not that easy to detect and it is also hard to get a lock on them- Getting your RGM-84X/Maverick/etc locked on one of these small craft is a lot harder than you think.

Only thing you can use is your machine gun or dumb bombs

Now this from two of my naval sim games(who is 99 % correct regarding real life warfare, this have I been told several times)

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Actually the Phalanx system has largely been replaced by a missile system. This of course provides better standoff as it can take out a cruise missile from a greater range it dose have the disadvantage of there not being a radar guided cannon which can take out an attacking small vessel.

Both systems are of course the last layer of defense. Of course they still have M2, M134, M240, Mk19, and what ever the Navy calls the hand operated 25mm Bushmaster cannon. Along with the DD that protect the CV which has entire weapons systems devoted to destroying surface craft. Whichis the biggest falisy of that exercise they just ignore the entire defense network. Not also counting the fixed and helio assets even the Seahawk can carry door gunners.

Precisely....they should be honest and tell their military personnel there will be a layered defence to overcome before they will encounter the mighty cardboard cutout

[Stealhead]

The other factor is that the typical member of the Iranian military knows the actual state of things which when it comes to advanced techonolgy is not that good. Currently they are using 40+ year old F-4Es against ISIL positions in border regions. Now to some extent that shows that they have very success fully managed to keep their fleet going despite the embargo. I do suspect that they likely did receive some spares from Israeli stocks back in the 80's for pulling the recon missions on the Iraqi nuclear reactor which the IDAF attacked. Intel which the CIA refused to share but the Iranians happily shared and even pulled the RF-4E recon for in fact they'd tried at least one strike mission themselves without success. Surely they got something in return even if tellings have changed 30 years hense.