Terrorist attack in Paris on French magazine

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Oberon

That is exactly the thing, it is how we treat moderate Islam, either we drive them into the arms of the extremists and make more work for ourselves, or we work at driving a wedge between them and the extremists and cut off the extremists manpower base. It's not foolproof, you are going to get incidents like this, but if you take the national population of Muslims of a country and the number of extremists in that country and compare the two it is hardly an overwhelming majority, unlike some people would have you believe, for their own political and ideological causes.

Well, just look at the numbers of so called moderates that want to ban free speech against Muhammad and are OK for those that offend their religion to be killed.

The only ones that can drive a true wedge are moderate Muslims, which mean they have to go to war in mass against radical, in principle and law. The fact is Islam run states won't do this.

In nations like France large radical populations are growing, you have possible 1000's joining ISIS and other radical groups and they seem to have free roam back and forth....It's eventually going to turn into a civil war or clash of civilizations. Radicals only want to grow and terror so much as they keep gaining power, but eventually we'll all be involved in another major ME war..

The only thing that can reform Islam is Islam....

[Skybird]

Oh yeah, there it shows up again: this dream of a "moderate Islam". Not even six hours from first calling the news to mentioning moderate Islam - not bad, but it could be mentioned even faster!

Its not in the scripture it bases on, but still - even if the dream lived just one week, one day - it nevertheless has LIVED !

Islam is as totalitarian by its ideological fundament as communism or fascism are. Supremacist to the core and bone, unforgiving towards anybody refusing it, nobody's friend except to itself, all world's enemy. A world it says it has the divine obligation to claim all, and where peace only can be had on your knees, under the sword of Muhammad, in voluntary or enforced submission, the green flag flying in the wind above you. You either love green - or you are to be dead.

This and nothing else is the teaching of Islam, and always has been. The Arabic root of the word Islam means submission.

[Tchocky]

Still no word on the gunmen. Getting some heartbreaking texts from a friend in Paris.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Still no word on the gunmen. Getting some heartbreaking texts from a friend in Paris.

If these guys get away I'm sure they'll strike again eventually.

[Silent Steel]

People like this have no reason for existence and will not prevail.

They should think of this;

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

by Evelyn Beatrice Hall

If they can think at all

[ikalugin]

Well how about we derail this into the Kosovo direction, ahh, I forgot, Serbians are blamed by the West for everything that ever happened there.

[Mr Quatro]

Well planed attack out of what, jealousy?

Did you see one of the shooters coming back to the car and bending down to pick up something on the ground?

Looked like a clip for his gun empty or not I do not know.

They had this on some kind of vengeance list a long time ago.

Odd that Egypt has declared war on religion the day before the attack. Not on Catholics or Christians, but on radical extremist.

Keep the jokes down for sure

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

https://twitter.com/MANJULtoons/stat...352320/photo/1

https://twitter.com/MicheleLaroque/s...179072/photo/1

[STEED]

Not 10 days into the new year, evil is rampant and will get worst.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by STEED

Not 10 days into the new year, evil is rampant and will get worst.

We are still in just the middle of the first third of the new Islamic attempt to spread into the remaining world.

Two and a half thirds still to be played for the coming two generations or so.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

If these guys get away I'm sure they'll strike again eventually.

That's the weirdest thing about this.

No martyrdom. No hostages. No public statements by the attackers. Makes you expect more.

Ugh.

[Penguin]

Having worked for a satire show for years, this hits damned close.
Satire is one of my personal holy pillars.

The german Titanic magazine reacted properly and put an elder cover on their website (don't click if drawn penises offend you).
Translation: comparative religion

Their editor in chief and MEP, Martin Sonneborn gave an appropriate statement on facebook.

"Das ist nicht komisch. Mit Anzeigen, Abokündigungen oder Kalaschnikow-Geballer auf Satire zu reagieren, gilt in der Szene als unfein. Unser Mitleid gilt den Franz. Kollegen. Bei Titanic könnte so etwas nicht passieren, wir haben nur 6 Redakteure."

"That's not funny. Reacting to satire with police reports, quitting subscribtions or shooting Kalashnikovs is seen as ungentlemanly in the scene. Our compassion is with the French colleagues. This could not happen at our magazine, as we have only 6 editors."

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Penguin

The german Titanic magazine reacted properly and put an elder cover on their website
(...)
"That's not funny. Reacting to satire with police reports, quitting subscribtions or shooting Kalashnikovs is seen as ungentlemanly in the scene. Our compassion is with the French colleagues. This could not happen at our magazine, as we have only 6 editors."

That's the spirit!

I assume they are no vegetarians... (for the sensible of hearts: that is called an insider joke )

[Betonov]

The satirical media responded well. More satire means less fear.



I fear what the mainstreams will do. They'll overanalyse, overblow, overcomment and sell another few truckloads of fear to a population (not just France) that could do without.
Let's not mention the politicians.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Well, just look at the numbers of so called moderates that want to ban free speech against Muhammad and are OK for those that offend their religion to be killed.

Against a global population of 1.8bn how many Muslims have called for those who offend Islam to be killed? As with any religion, ideology or political group, the ones who speak the loudest get all the attention.

The only ones that can drive a true wedge are moderate Muslims, which mean they have to go to war in mass against radical, in principle and law. The fact is Islam run states won't do this.

Sadly you are correct, I think many Islam run states are scared of the changing of the status quo. There are moderates who want to change things, but they are...oddly enough, mostly in the west, where they can speak out about changing things without worrying about being arrested like the poor sods who put a youtube video of them dancing on the internet.
How much of this is politics and how much is religion is debatable, but the two do play a big part in it.

In nations like France large radical populations are growing,

Not just France, across Europe...and not just in Islam too, the rise of parties like the NF, the UKIP coalition with far-right Polish political groups and the ease in which Europeans heap all the ills of the world upon either illegal or legal immigrants and Muslims is rather disturbing and yet a strange sense of deja vu...

you have possible 1000's joining ISIS and other radical groups and they seem to have free roam back and forth....

That's the trouble with Europe, as you chaps in the States have found with Mexico...it's hard to maintain and defend a land border against people who are determined to leak through them.

It's eventually going to turn into a civil war or clash of civilizations. Radicals only want to grow and terror so much as they keep gaining power,

I think that clash has been happening since 2001 really, they bomb us, we get terrified of Muslims, which alienates more Muslims who go to the extremists who recruit these Muslims to bomb us, which makes us get terrified of Muslims...and so on and so forth.
People from both sides of the political spectrum then jump in to add their fuel to the fire, and stoke the flames even higher which just pushes more people into extremism, and so on and so forth.

but eventually we'll all be involved in another major ME war..

It is quite likely, I can't see this cycle breaking any time soon.

The only thing that can reform Islam is Islam....

This is true, and there are those who are trying, and in a way the actions of the extremists and our reactions will encourage them to try harder, but you can't turn a supertanker on a dime. I mean, look how long it took to reform Christianity. Our role, really, should be rather than to make the jobs of those trying to reform Islam harder by doing exactly what the extremists want (classify all Muslims as a threat), we should help the reformers by combatting the extremists without stooping to their level.