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Catfish · 11-15-14, 07:19 AM

^last thing for sure. Question is if other nations behave any better. After all, the other surrounding states let their military fly around in open air space as well without announcements.

Oberon · 11-15-14, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

^last thing for sure. Question is if other nations behave any better. After all, the other surrounding states let their military fly around in open air space as well without announcements.

I don't know, you'd have to ask Tchocky about that, but I'm fairly sure that, unless it's an emergency, NATO forces go through the usual channels when flying in European airspace, and they have their transponders on.
In regards to NATO SigInt aircraft, that I couldn't say...and I don't know if Tchocky would be allowed to say.

Catfish · 11-15-14, 01:49 PM

Well, what i constantly try to hammer into the minds of some is, that if Russia would have joined the NATO club (a request which was turned down afaik), they would fly around wth transponders on (if at all), and no one would care.
I think the NATO means a greater threat to Russia, than vice versa.
Just look at the years from 1989 on, and how the borders with rocket systems shifted, eastwards.

You know i am as tired of the western propaganda, as of the russian one. At least the lattter does not claim all the time how brave, better, righteous, and patriotic they are, while behaving just the same (like an elephant in a porcelain store). Kosovo anyone ?

Oberon · 11-15-14, 01:59 PM

There was a definite missed opportunity to bring Russia into the fold, but I think given the bad blood between the Baltic states/Eastern Europe and Russia, any attempt to bring Russia on board as a partner of NATO would have been met with massive protests and resignations from NATO most likely.
You can't just get rid of 52 years of history in less than a decade.
The expansion of NATO eastward though could have been handled in a more tactful way, less wang-waving at the Russians.

Still, here we are, no going back now, Cold War round 2.

ikalugin · 11-15-14, 02:12 PM

Joining NATO would certainly help Russian Navy, as it would then be concentrated in one theatre (Pacific) rather than be split between 4 theatres.

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11-15-14, 07:19 AM	#1
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,800 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^last thing for sure. Question is if other nations behave any better. After all, the other surrounding states let their military fly around in open air space as well without announcements.

11-15-14, 01:49 PM	#3
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,800 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Well, what i constantly try to hammer into the minds of some is, that if Russia would have joined the NATO club (a request which was turned down afaik), they would fly around wth transponders on (if at all), and no one would care. I think the NATO means a greater threat to Russia, than vice versa. Just look at the years from 1989 on, and how the borders with rocket systems shifted, eastwards. You know i am as tired of the western propaganda, as of the russian one. At least the lattter does not claim all the time how brave, better, righteous, and patriotic they are, while behaving just the same (like an elephant in a porcelain store). Kosovo anyone ?

11-15-14, 01:59 PM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	There was a definite missed opportunity to bring Russia into the fold, but I think given the bad blood between the Baltic states/Eastern Europe and Russia, any attempt to bring Russia on board as a partner of NATO would have been met with massive protests and resignations from NATO most likely. You can't just get rid of 52 years of history in less than a decade. The expansion of NATO eastward though could have been handled in a more tactful way, less wang-waving at the Russians. Still, here we are, no going back now, Cold War round 2.

11-15-14, 02:12 PM	#5
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Joining NATO would certainly help Russian Navy, as it would then be concentrated in one theatre (Pacific) rather than be split between 4 theatres.