The White Queen

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Lol Neal if you are going to try to keep track of who was who in the noble/royal families and what they were doing and why during that period of English history, you need a LOT of cheat sheets. Used to be a bit of an obsession of mine and I had multiple family trees drawn up and tucked into all my books, it was the only way to stay sane.

At some point they should have passed a law about not using the same damn name more than once during, say, a three-generation period in any one family.

Aaaaaand every time someone says "Plantagenet" I want to watch The Lion in Winter again, as if anyone needs an excuse to do that.

Yeah, it's staggering the number of times the names Edward and Henry get used over and over.

I just started the Red Queen, seems to be the 2nd book in Philippa Gregory's series. The first I just finished, The Lady of the Rivers, sets up the story, and I can tell now, by starting the Red Queen, a lot more about the TV series The White Queen, as in who's who, etc. Seems the TV series skips all the stuff from the first two books and jumps right in, no explanations. Well, now I know who the wretchedly amitious and pious woman in the TV series is, she's Margaret Beaufort, and she's the protagonist in the Red Queen (book 2) ((did I mention there are several Margarets to keep track of, also?)). So, ah ha, I see, and now it's making more sense. Plus the books do an outstanding job of casually filling in the family histories.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

No spoilers Neal but a link to the BBC site and explanations regarding characters etc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p018sxqp

Thanks, Jim, that seems to have a list of characters and their profiles, that will help.

I also need to read up on the Tower of London, I thought that was a prison, but it seems sometimes it also serves as a sanctuary/castle/keep?

One thing is for sure, the English are magnificent, their civilization, even in these early days of confusion and treachery, clearly sets the stage for modern civilization. God save the King! Whoever that happens to be at the moment.

[Oberon]

Just remember, Dickon was innocent! Don't believe the Tudor propaganda!

Furthermore, I think it's stupid that he will be buried in Leicester, not York.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yeah, it's staggering the number of times the names Edward and Henry get used over and over.

I just started the Red Queen, seems to be the 2nd book in Philippa Gregory's series. The first I just finished, The Lady of the Rivers, sets up the story, and I can tell now, by starting the Red Queen, a lot more about the TV series The White Queen, as in who's who, etc. Seems the TV series skips all the stuff from the first two books and jumps right in, no explanations. Well, now I know who the wretchedly amitious and pious woman in the TV series is, she's Margaret Beaufort, and she's the protagonist in the Red Queen (book 2) ((did I mention there are several Margarets to keep track of, also?)). So, ah ha, I see, and now it's making more sense. Plus the books do an outstanding job of casually filling in the family histories.

Margaret, Anne, Henry, Richard, Edward... someone get these people a better baby naming book! It gets even more confusing by the tendency sometimes to refer to a man by his title - Clarence, Warwick, Gloucester, etc., which then has to be mentally reconciled with whichever Tom, Dick or Harry (or rather George, Richard or Henry) who's holding it at the moment.

This site looks to have a pretty decent collections of royal family trees for Britain, going all the way from Alfred the Great to the current generation, plus separate ones for the Plantagenets and Tudors which would likely encompass the period you're dealing with.

http://www.britroyals.com/royals.htm

[Sailor Steve]

I first became interested in the era when I saw Six Wives of Henry VIII back in 1971. Since then I've read a few books, and own a copy of Mike Ashley's British Kings and Queens.
http://www.amazon.com/British-kings-...K3KMG1ZEDVXG7T

Also I have a copy of the prequel to Six Wives, called The Shadow of the Tower, which is a series about Henry VII. It suffers from being made in the period when the BBC had no money at all, but it's still a great show. One of the main characters is Henry's mother, Margaret Beaufort. Now here she is as one of the players in the Wars of the Roses. I think I'll need to see this series as well.

[Aktungbby]

Just finished off The Winter King- Henry VII on kindle. This details the victory of Henry, Earl of Oxford who defeated Richard III at Bosworth and fathers Henry VIII by his marriage to ...Anne, the White Queen's daughter, in effect a union of York and Lancaster sufficient to end the War of the Roses.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Just finished off The Winter King- Henry VII on kindle. This details the victory of Henry, Earl of Oxford who defeated Richard III at Bosworth and fathers Henry VIII by his marriage to ...Anne, the White Queen's daughter, in effect a union of York and Lancaster sufficient to end the War of the Roses.

Oi, spoilers.

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, I knew someone would do that

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

God save the King! Whoever that happens to be at the moment.

TREASON!!....Our current monarch is Queen Elizabeth II. Her father George IV ruled until 1952 and was succeeded by Elizabeth

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yeah, I knew someone would do that

Aye, we could have both made a tidy sum if we were betting folk.