"Fury" - Movie. Bollywood Boycott Time again

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

So did Soviets have a program for physical removal of 90 percent of Polish population? How many Polish were murdered by Soviets (compared to Germans)?

Or do you deny existence of General Plan East?

The non-aggression pact had a secret protocol that divided regions, Poland amongst others into SOI's.

17 September Stalin ordered his own invasion of Poland.
Both shared goals of eradication.

You should also know that the Poles were considered enemies of communism and Russia national inspirations.

[ikalugin]

The non-aggression pact had a secret protocol that divided regions, Poland amongst others into SOI's.

17 September Stalin ordered his own invasion of Poland.
Both shared goals of eradication.

So did the Soviets or did they not have plans as to physical removal of Polish population on the scale that NAZI Germany did (90 percent under General Plan Ost)?

If so, do you have any evidence that such plan existed and/or was under execution by Soviet authorities?

[Feuer Frei!]

So if i can't prove any evidence does that mean Joseph is exhonerated from genocide and nominated for a post-humos nobel peace prize?
Wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

Typical allied puppet show.

If you do some research on STalin's intense dislike towards Poles from the Polish-Soviet war 1919-1920, and an order given by our nobel nominee in 1940 following the katyn massacre, you will be well on the way to getting your proof.

Polish reverse Officers, ethnic Poles, deportations, also google Lavrenty Beria.

Sorry to say but Stalin isn't going to become innocent. As much as some wish it.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

So if i can't prove any evidence does that mean Joseph is exhonerated from genocide and nominated for a post-humos nobel peace prize?
Wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

Typical allied puppet show.

If you do some research on STalin's intense dislike towards Poles from the Polish-Soviet war 1919-1920, and an order given by our nobel nominee in 1940 following the katyn massacre, you will be well on the way to getting your proof.

Polish reverse Officers, ethnic Poles, deportations, also google Lavrenty Beria.

Sorry to say but Stalin isn't going to become innocent. As much as some wish it.

Feeling revisionist now? Should we revise the Nurenberg entirely and levy responsibility of NAZI regime on the Germans then?

So did or did Soviets not plan physical removal of Polish population (and execute any part of such plan) on the same scale as NAZI Germany (ie 90 percent)?

Stalin was not pretty, just not as evil as a certain criminal regime Germany had.

[kranz]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Polish people complaining about the reality of Polish history

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Why not look at the work of Instytut Pamięci Narodowej – Komisja Ścigania Zbrodni przeciwko Narodowi Polskiemu.
I don't know if you are familiar with it, its a Polish thing set up under Polish law by the Polish government.
Among other things it deals with Polish people participating in the holocaust.
It also deals with Poles murdering Jews for being Jews in the post war period.

I am, but you obviously aren't.

Your logic: in the only scene depicting Polish partisans, the Home Army tries to kill Jews and refrains from saving them. --> Poles are complaining --> they are complaining about 'the reality of Polish history' --> the reality of Polish history was about murdering Jews. (your initial post).

Now the funniest thing:
you are (ineptly) trying to say that the history of Poles murdering Jews (the reality of Polish history) is inside IPN documents...among other things.
Did you check these 'other things'? I doubt.

did you browse through all the materials of IPN or only those devoted to Poles murdering Jews?
Do these materials say anything about Poles saving Jews?
Do they say what was the general trend?
Let's suppose that Poles did both - murder Jews and save them and let's even suppose it was like 50% - 50%.
Why does the series not present Poles saving Jews?
You obviously have no frigging idea what the documents you mentioned are about.

Poland was the only country with capital punishment for hiding Jews. You didn't know about that.
There have been 24 811 titles of 'Righteous Among the Nations' - Poles got 26% of the titles given - which is the biggest representation among other nations.You didn't know that.
Sure there were a lot of exceptions like Jedwabne any a lot of other minor cases but there were exceptions to the rule that Poles were saving Jews. You didn't know that.

To sum up with: the documents you invoked do hold the truth about the reality of Polish history yet you haven't read them thus you have completely no idea what you are talking about.
Get your facts straight next time.

[kranz]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Now you are talking complete bollox.

I just re-phrased your bollox logic.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

epic fail.

your version of 'the reality of Polish history' is epic fail.

You took a TV series' version for granted, came here and told me to 'read the documents about Poles murdering Jews which are 'among other things'
What are those other things IPN came up with? Poles hunting for pink elephants?

Might even read the middle of your bollox post later...now I don't have time for fairy tales.

concerning 'Yad Vashem' numbers...
I used an older article.
25,53915553%

btw, you've been reading David Irving recently, haven't you?

[Tango589]

That's it. I'm out of this thread. I came here to read about a film that potentially stunk, and it's descended into another argument.

[Sailor Steve]

And that scene is from Marlowe, a film that certainly didn't stink. It took some liberties with Raymond Chandler's classic The Little Sister, but it stuck fairly close to the plot, starred James Garner and Bruce Lee had one of the funniest death scenes ever.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064638/?ref_=nv_sr_2

[Betonov]

Woops, sorry about it.
This whole mess started when the most pro-russian member of the forum got into an argument with a Russian

[Tango589]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And that scene is from Marlowe, a film that certainly didn't stink. It took some liberties with Raymond Chandler's classic The Little Sister, but it stuck fairly close to the plot, starred James Garner and Bruce Lee had one of the funniest death scenes ever.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064638/?ref_=nv_sr_2

[Jimbuna]

Looks like we've moved from discussing a film to a position of arguing, trading insults and adding a few doses of condescension.

If we can't stay on topic then I don't see the point of moderators wasting their time maintaining a watchful stance here.

[kranz]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

No you silly thing,
you polish nationalists on the subject of Polish people killing Jews
http://www.haaretz.com/news/krakow-c...on-us-1.239148

it appears that you not only study history by watching German TV series and 'reading' documents which you have never seen and have no idea about but also you call people nationalists on the basis of an article which calls a Catholic radio station 'anti-semite'.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by kranz

it appears that you not only study history by watching German TV series and 'reading' documents which you have never seen and have no idea about but also you call people nationalists on the basis of an article which calls a Catholic radio station 'anti-semite'.

Hahah.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jun/05/poland

[Oberon]

Christ on a bike...I go away for 24 hours and the second Great Patriotic War breaks out.

[kranz]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yeah right.
So documents which prove the point I am making are somehow by magic documents that I havn't read because you don't like what they contain.

believe me - you won't find legit documents confirming your hilarious and stupid claim. Unless you write your own.

but joking apart - please, do tell sth more about 'murdering Jews as the reality of Polish history'. I assume you still have much to say...